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Even though US and Israel acted like an aggressor but Iran is going too far by laying mines along the strait of Hormuz.
I wasn't the supporter of US and Israel striking Iran and even said Iran has right to defend against them but Iran's move is affecting people who are not even involved in the war.
It seems Iran is living upto it's name of authoritarian regime in power. If this is how Iran wants to get things done by targetting commercial ships affecting whole world especially lower income class, then I think the whole world should destroy the regime for good.
I wasn't the supporter of US and Israel striking Iran and even said Iran has right to defend against them but Iran's move is affecting people who are not even involved in the war.
It seems Iran is living upto it's name of authoritarian regime in power. If this is how Iran wants to get things done by targetting commercial ships affecting whole world especially lower income class, then I think the whole world should destroy the regime for good.
It's an international navigation and transit passage for all countries. Iran has no right to close it let alone put mines on the Strait and target commercial ships.
If Iran wants to claim self defense then it should target US and Israel commercial shipments - but by targetting shipments of countries which aren't even involved in the war defeats this self defense argument as well and is cowardice
If Iran wants to claim self defense then it should target US and Israel commercial shipments - but by targetting shipments of countries which aren't even involved in the war defeats this self defense argument as well and is cowardice
Probably a typo since you excluded all commercial shipments in the first paragraph
Be honest: if they did this (target these US and Israeli commercial shipments you mentioned) would you then say they're not allowed to target commercial shipments but only military?
Disclaimer: the economic reverberations are catastrophic. The Iranian regime is catastrophic. But the Israeli and US regimes are no less so, for different reasons. Reasons that have become more and more apparent over the years. This regime argument is not only passe but hypocritical as well. A genocidal government cannot give out morality lessons to anyone.
Be honest: if they did this (target these US and Israeli commercial shipments you mentioned) would you then say they're not allowed to target commercial shipments but only military?
Disclaimer: the economic reverberations are catastrophic. The Iranian regime is catastrophic. But the Israeli and US regimes are no less so, for different reasons. Reasons that have become more and more apparent over the years. This regime argument is not only passe but hypocritical as well. A genocidal government cannot give out morality lessons to anyone.
Let me be more clear
Legally, Iran has no right to target mechant ships of other countries and mine Hormuz. These are civilian infrastructure of different countries not even responsible for the war with civilians on board passing through international navigation route.
During war, two priciples are followed
1) Distinction and Proportionality - Country must differentiate between military and civilian infrastructure. Civilian harms cannot be in excess and has to be avoided or minimised at all costs.
2) Necessity - attack must serve a military purpose.
Iran can only justify targetting merchant ships of other countries if these merchant ships are contributing to US and Israel military efforts which they aren't. Thus, it's unlawful and Iran has no right or justification for this.
Now, Iran do have right to self defense. It can target military infrastructure of US and Israel as counter response. It can also target merchant ships of US and Israel if they are contributing to their military efforts.
If these US merchant ships aren't contributing to military efforts then Iran has no right to target them as well.
However, we know realities of war are different.
During US and Israel strikes, civilian infrastructure of Iran did take damages. So, one can understand if Iran retaliated to target US and Israel merchant ships or threatened them to make them suffer economically.
But blocking entire Hormuz and not even allowing other countries shipments to pass is not right and justified by any means.
Legally, Iran has no right to target mechant ships of other countries and mine Hormuz. These are civilian infrastructure of different countries not even responsible for the war with civilians on board passing through international navigation route.
During war, two priciples are followed
1) Distinction and Proportionality - Country must differentiate between military and civilian infrastructure. Civilian harms cannot be in excess and has to be avoided or minimised at all costs.
2) Necessity - attack must serve a military purpose.
Iran can only justify targetting merchant ships of other countries if these merchant ships are contributing to US and Israel military efforts which they aren't. Thus, it's unlawful and Iran has no right or justification for this.
Now, Iran do have right to self defense. It can target military infrastructure of US and Israel as counter response. It can also target merchant ships of US and Israel if they are contributing to their military efforts.
If these US merchant ships aren't contributing to military efforts then Iran has no right to target them as well.
However, we know realities of war are different.
During US and Israel strikes, civilian infrastructure of Iran did take damages. So, one can understand if Iran retaliated to target US and Israel merchant ships or threatened them to make them suffer economically.
But blocking entire Hormuz and not even allowing other countries shipments to pass is not right and justified by any means.
Actually targeting (as in striking them in any way) is something I'm opossed to.
Blocking the strait however is completely viable and justifiable in this war scenario. Iran is trying to create an economic choke hold that will force other nations (and actors within the US governemnt and Congress) to act in order to re-create a chance for diplomatic talks.
Or maybe it's just the way I'm reading the situation.
Blocking the strait however is completely viable and justifiable in this war scenario. Iran is trying to create an economic choke hold that will force other nations (and actors within the US governemnt and Congress) to act in order to re-create a chance for diplomatic talks.
Or maybe it's just the way I'm reading the situation.
We all know Iran is using Hormuz as deterrent to ensure global intervention. It's pressure building tactics to push US and Israel back.
However, blockade isn't justified either. As I said, it's international navigation and transit passage which means all countries have right to transit through it.
Coastal states cannot completely block the passage even during war scenario because it's like punishing those who aren't involved in the war. It's not legally justified as well.
Even if part of Hormuz comes under Iran's territorial water, Iran can't completely block it as it's international transit route.
At most, Iran can target enemy ships as I mentioned in previous post or can inspect ships.
But Iran is not only threatening and blocking it, but also targetting and mining it. This is an indiscriminate act against neutral states which is unlawful and not justified.
Not only it's causing global economy repercussions but civilians on these ships are at risks as well.
And, let me tell you something - targetting merchant ships belonging to other nations can be considered as an act of war and other nations can then act in self defense.
However, blockade isn't justified either. As I said, it's international navigation and transit passage which means all countries have right to transit through it.
Coastal states cannot completely block the passage even during war scenario because it's like punishing those who aren't involved in the war. It's not legally justified as well.
Even if part of Hormuz comes under Iran's territorial water, Iran can't completely block it as it's international transit route.
At most, Iran can target enemy ships as I mentioned in previous post or can inspect ships.
But Iran is not only threatening and blocking it, but also targetting and mining it. This is an indiscriminate act against neutral states which is unlawful and not justified.
Not only it's causing global economy repercussions but civilians on these ships are at risks as well.
And, let me tell you something - targetting merchant ships belonging to other nations can be considered as an act of war and other nations can then act in self defense.
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As far as merchant ships are concerned, then these ships are making contacts with their national authorities and Iranian authorities.
News is that other nations want Iran to give diplomatic assurances that their merchant ships won't be targeted.
Iran is considering to let neutral states vessels go through.
If this doesn't happen, then news is that other nations might deploy their own navy in the gulf to escort merchant ships.
News is that other nations want Iran to give diplomatic assurances that their merchant ships won't be targeted.
Iran is considering to let neutral states vessels go through.
If this doesn't happen, then news is that other nations might deploy their own navy in the gulf to escort merchant ships.
