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Not yet, but I’m thinking about it more and more…my wife worries that having a firearm in the house will tempt me into doing the old shotgun mouthwash, but my will to live long enough to see all this shit come to an end is getting stronger every day. As far as the Eruv bit, I think it’s important for Jews to defend themselves, but I also see how that could go sideways real quick, more power to you if that’s what you wanna do 
if someone really wants to murder me, having a pistol on me isn’t necessarily going to protect me. Not anti-2A but I’m not sure how much it actually helps to carry a gun every day.
If God forbid I’m caught in a terrorist attack I’d be much better off trying to run/hide than attempting to kill a terrorist and either dying or accidentally shooting a bystander.
Change your fucking name back already!! You were A2 when we met, and by God, you *will* be A2 again when we die at the same exact time from COVID…
Oh yes
Gulf countries have US bases.
And, as I said earlier, Iran has right to defend and attack US bases and military assets in the region.
However, even this doesn't give Iran the right to attack oil storages and civilian and energy infrastructures of these Gulf countries.
Let me tell you one thing clearly....
The reason Israel attack on Gaza came across as war crimes wasn't because of Israel has targeted Hamas infrastructure but because Israel attacks were on civilian infrastructure as well .
If you people can call Israel and US attack on civilian infrastructure as war crimes then Iran targetting civilian infrastructure in Gulf countries is also war crimes.
Don't hold double standards..
Hormuz is totally shut and unsafe as of now.
So far it has allowed few vessels of China, Russia and India. Even these vessels are passing through in very risky manner because due to war, ships navigation is messed up.
Iran has said it's allowing safe passage of few countries who are not associated with war and has reached out to Iran through diplomatic channels.
Few days ago, India allowed Iranian vessel facing threats from US submarines to be docked on Indian ports for repair and maintenance on humanitarian grounds.
India gave permission to 3 Iranian naval ships seeking help despite USA objections.
Then there was diplomatic communications between India and Iran over energy and maritime security.
And, India is also supplying crude to Bangladesh and Nepal despite facing LPG shortages
Gulf countries have US bases.
And, as I said earlier, Iran has right to defend and attack US bases and military assets in the region.
However, even this doesn't give Iran the right to attack oil storages and civilian and energy infrastructures of these Gulf countries.
Let me tell you one thing clearly....
The reason Israel attack on Gaza came across as war crimes wasn't because of Israel has targeted Hamas infrastructure but because Israel attacks were on civilian infrastructure as well .
If you people can call Israel and US attack on civilian infrastructure as war crimes then Iran targetting civilian infrastructure in Gulf countries is also war crimes.
Don't hold double standards..
Hormuz is totally shut and unsafe as of now.
So far it has allowed few vessels of China, Russia and India. Even these vessels are passing through in very risky manner because due to war, ships navigation is messed up.
Iran has said it's allowing safe passage of few countries who are not associated with war and has reached out to Iran through diplomatic channels.
Few days ago, India allowed Iranian vessel facing threats from US submarines to be docked on Indian ports for repair and maintenance on humanitarian grounds.
India gave permission to 3 Iranian naval ships seeking help despite USA objections.
Then there was diplomatic communications between India and Iran over energy and maritime security.
And, India is also supplying crude to Bangladesh and Nepal despite facing LPG shortages
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Many countries hold foreign bases. Some of these attacks weren't even from the bases but from the desert and were geolocated near civilian areas. The point is simple: One can argue that Gulf countries are part of the aggression as they allowed their land and airspace to be used to strike Iran.
Supporting Iran in attacking US/Israeli assets but not Gulf ones is a weird contradiction if the infrastructure is used to help hit Iran. There is no double standard from my view here.
This is something the Arabs have to take responsibility for as they allowed US/Israel to use them.
It mostly is, but the fact that ships were allowed tells me:
A. Iran hasn't resorted to mining the strait yet, so they maintain capability of selective hits for now.
B. Iran wants to avoid becoming a global pariah by blocking Hormuz totally.
Its for the best if countries can get their ships out of the Gulf ASAP by talking to Iran. US Navy is too busy fighting to open the strait at this point, and if Iran's capabilities are degraded enough they'd resort to mining the strait. Which is something nobody can control at that point.
Supporting Iran in attacking US/Israeli assets but not Gulf ones is a weird contradiction if the infrastructure is used to help hit Iran. There is no double standard from my view here.
This is something the Arabs have to take responsibility for as they allowed US/Israel to use them.
It mostly is, but the fact that ships were allowed tells me:
A. Iran hasn't resorted to mining the strait yet, so they maintain capability of selective hits for now.
B. Iran wants to avoid becoming a global pariah by blocking Hormuz totally.
Its for the best if countries can get their ships out of the Gulf ASAP by talking to Iran. US Navy is too busy fighting to open the strait at this point, and if Iran's capabilities are degraded enough they'd resort to mining the strait. Which is something nobody can control at that point.
From what I heard, the drone seems to have come from the sea. That is a weird direction for it to come from and pass undetected if its launched by Iran. Not that its impossible, but a falseflag attack isn't ruled out. Iran hasn't claimed the attack for what its worth, while they do claim most attacks on other Gulf states.
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Then Iran should target military assets in the desert.
My contention is with civilan infrastructures not affiliated with military efforts.
It shouldn't be hard to have a distinction. Few off instances can be brushed aside but when it's continued frequently then it's deliberate.
Many countries can't get ships out easily from there. Projectiles threats + lack of insurances + no assurance from Iran of safety have put most ships stranded.
India - China - Russia have diplomatic and friendly relations with Iran and Gulf for a long time. India has strong relationships with Israel as well.
Being part of BRICS which recently took stand against USA tarffis and they being neutral in war scenarios and even extending help when required played role in Iran allowing their vessels.
These countries also don't have permanent US bases on their soils.
My contention is with civilan infrastructures not affiliated with military efforts.
It shouldn't be hard to have a distinction. Few off instances can be brushed aside but when it's continued frequently then it's deliberate.
Many countries can't get ships out easily from there. Projectiles threats + lack of insurances + no assurance from Iran of safety have put most ships stranded.
India - China - Russia have diplomatic and friendly relations with Iran and Gulf for a long time. India has strong relationships with Israel as well.
Being part of BRICS which recently took stand against USA tarffis and they being neutral in war scenarios and even extending help when required played role in Iran allowing their vessels.
These countries also don't have permanent US bases on their soils.
I agree, infrastructure not related to the war shouldn't be bombed.
India did use diplomacy and house Iranian navy that was in an exercise in return for getting its ships docked. Other countries absolutely should reach out now, while Iran can still be selective with who it hits. Iranians know once they mine the strait the whole world turns against them, thats why they're trying to gain some goodwill now.
India did use diplomacy and house Iranian navy that was in an exercise in return for getting its ships docked. Other countries absolutely should reach out now, while Iran can still be selective with who it hits. Iranians know once they mine the strait the whole world turns against them, thats why they're trying to gain some goodwill now.
Yeah! And, one more thing - Iran's deputy Foreign Minister visited India few days ago as well. What he talked - I don't know but his visit was during the war.
Few countries did reach out, however, they end up being in the bind due to their dependency on USA.
Diplomacy and building relations require efforts.
Few countries did reach out, however, they end up being in the bind due to their dependency on USA.
Diplomacy and building relations require efforts.
Few things backfired for USA
1) inadequate planning - insufficient build up of military vessels and resources + not securing Hormuz immediately
2) Killing of Khamenei - it really angered Iran and pushed them to fight until the end. Perhaps US - Israel felt that killing top commanders and Khamenei would weaken Iran but it end up increasing their resolve and unite for the cause.
3) Underestimating Iran offensive capabilities- Shahed drones really played massive role in favor of Iran.
Trump really messed it up.
Even though US most likely will achieve its goal but I think it would be short lived.
There's huge probability that regime change might not happen and in this scenario, Iran's resolve to strengthen itself militarily would skyrocket..
Middle East became more geopolticallly tensed due to deteriorating relations between Gulf and Iran. Even if they resume diplomatic relations, deep down this war will keep relations sour.
We might even see more US presence in the Gulf states after this war.
1) inadequate planning - insufficient build up of military vessels and resources + not securing Hormuz immediately
2) Killing of Khamenei - it really angered Iran and pushed them to fight until the end. Perhaps US - Israel felt that killing top commanders and Khamenei would weaken Iran but it end up increasing their resolve and unite for the cause.
3) Underestimating Iran offensive capabilities- Shahed drones really played massive role in favor of Iran.
Trump really messed it up.
Even though US most likely will achieve its goal but I think it would be short lived.
There's huge probability that regime change might not happen and in this scenario, Iran's resolve to strengthen itself militarily would skyrocket..
Middle East became more geopolticallly tensed due to deteriorating relations between Gulf and Iran. Even if they resume diplomatic relations, deep down this war will keep relations sour.
We might even see more US presence in the Gulf states after this war.