Controversial General Political Discussion

[Jiihad]

@Roo to kinda touch a lil more on tha Sudan point and as to why it’s not gettin more coverage and people aren’t speakin out as much bout it as Israel etc

There’s been that propaganda for literal HUNDREDS of years that black people are animals/savages/uncivilized etc. so when these African countries are embroiled and going through these Genocides and Government upheaval and unrest. Most of tha rest of tha world turns a blind eye to it cause, again “oh they’re animals” so it’s an “expected” outcome so people don’t have tha same humanity and understanding when it comes to black humans being brutalized and killed in droves

With Israel and other countries, they’re viewed different cause “oh they look like us” so they kan easier sympathize and reach across that isle with them. It hit closer to home for em kause, they look like em

 

[Logiko]

@Roo to kinda touch a lil more on tha Sudan point and as to why it’s not gettin more coverage and people aren’t speakin out as much bout it as Israel etc

There’s been that propaganda for literal HUNDREDS of years that black people are animals/savages/uncivilized etc. so when these African countries are embroiled and going through these Genocides and Government upheaval and unrest. Most of tha rest of tha world turns a blind eye to it cause, again “oh they’re animals” so it’s an “expected” outcome so people don’t have tha same humanity and understanding when it comes to black humans being brutalized and killed in droves

With Israel and other countries, they’re viewed different cause “oh they look like us” so they kan easier sympathize and reach across that isle with them. It hit closer to home for em kause, they look like em

That is true. White supremacy is one of the main problem in these conflict and the lack of attention.

 

[Midnight Delight]

White supremacy is one of the main problem in these conflict

Campist

 

[Blax Blah]

I am the urban rescue ranch

 

[Blax Blah]

@Roo to kinda touch a lil more on tha Sudan point and as to why it’s not gettin more coverage and people aren’t speakin out as much bout it as Israel etc

There’s been that propaganda for literal HUNDREDS of years that black people are animals/savages/uncivilized etc. so when these African countries are embroiled and going through these Genocides and Government upheaval and unrest. Most of tha rest of tha world turns a blind eye to it cause, again “oh they’re animals” so it’s an “expected” outcome so people don’t have tha same humanity and understanding when it comes to black humans being brutalized and killed in droves

With Israel and other countries, they’re viewed different cause “oh they look like us” so they kan easier sympathize and reach across that isle with them. It hit closer to home for em kause, they look like em

That is true. White supremacy is one of the main problem in these conflict and the lack of attention.

The racist mind is very perverted

 

[Logiko]

Campist

 

[Logiko]

The racist mind is very perverted

I don't know about "perverted", but harmfull definitely yea

 

[Midnight Delight]

Your Mazdakite ways will bring your downfall

 

[Blax Blah]

I don't know about "perverted", but harmfull definitely yea

Well sexual perversion isn't the only perversion there is

Racism is perverted

 

[Logiko]

Your Mazdakite ways will bring your downfall

Oh I'm starting to understand what Mathias meant.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-administration-iran-ground-troop-preparations/

So its boots on the ground it can happen any time .

 

[Midnight Delight]

Oh I'm starting to understand what Mathias meant.

Have fun when Jordan becomes President, and know that it's the Fault of Leftists like yourself that Fascist rose again

 

[Reborn]

1. I’m not asking you to justify anything, we’re just making observations
2. I am probably more aware of geopolitics than you lol. I mean I literally talk about it in this thread with guys like @Reborn @Midnight Delight and @Apollo. Unlike you tho I don’t go into pop politics so our conversations are less sensational

3. Sure you did, I am sure if we were to search “Sudan” in this thread the first post would be from you lol

“Reactionary rhetoric” is when pointing out obvious lack of attention worse conflicts gets and why lol. Brother those buzzwords don’t work here

Problem here is we just gave a general observation about the left on selective activism (which is true actually and everyone knows the reason) and suddenly we have a leftist getting defensive about it lol

I mean logiko felt the need to take it personal and get reactionary says enough

 

[MonochromeYoru]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-administration-iran-ground-troop-preparations/

So its boots on the ground it can happen any time .

the second trump said "no boots on the ground" it was guaranteed lol

i think he prolly thinks him saying the opposite first makes the opponent confused. like a playground tactic

 

[Midnight Delight]

I mean logiko felt the need to take it personal and get reactionary says enough

Now he will throw a tantrum at you lmao

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1ryuijn
Thank you Donald

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

the second trump said "no boots on the ground" it was guaranteed lol

i think he prolly thinks him saying the opposite first makes the opponent confused. like a playground tactic

Ya the war is gonna over soon we gonna win bigly folks . I am sure Barron is advising him lol

 

[Apollo]

It was likely Reza lying about his insiders in Iran and Bibi going along with it to Trump because he wants an excuse to be pardoned from his trial(war)

I doubt this.
For one, Netanyahu would like to stay out of prison but this isn't the cause of this war. Polls showed the overwhelming majority of Israelis want this war. Opposition leader Lapid and Bennet have shown support for it. Its part of the Greater Israel vision to either balkanize Iran or replace it with a friendly regime.
As for Reza, I do not believe for a moment Trump or any American official believed his grift. Trump publicly dismissed Pahlavi multiple times, and the guy has no cohesive movement or support within Iran. He's less viable than Venezuela's opposition leader, and we saw what she got: Nothing.

I think it's more to do with elections and I am not talking about US midterm elections.

Iran proxy war through Hamaz and Hezbollah is not hidden from anyone. There's strong dislike for Iran in Israel. You can say popular sentiments is in favor of taking action against Iran.

Bibi has been advocating actions against Iran for a long time as well but his hands were tied.


This year Israel has legislative elections and survey was showing that Bibi's party was behind in polls.

I think war against Iran became a domestic political necessity for Bibi.

At the same time, Trump was on hot seat due to Greenland fiasco followed by Epstein files.


So perhaps both thought a campaign against Iran would help them more in elections.

But I don't think they expected Khamenei's death and Iran's hard stance which followed leading to Hormuz control.

Now, you can clearly see the difference in their stance.

Bibi says it was bound to a long term campaign while Trump who isn't so diplomatically tuned said it was weeks long campaign.

Short campaign is also evident from build up around Hormuz before war started. I doubt US can make such a strategic blunder if they were planning or were anticipating long campaign.

Like I said above: the Iran war has massive public support in Israel.
And this Iran war started last year in June, it became clear Israel couldn't finish the job on its own and this is why America is fighting the war now with Israel.

But you're right on a very important point: seems like Israel and the USA have different objectives for this war. Israel wants to bring down the regime and that includes destroying infrastructure to cause an uprising, while the USA wants a longer and slower degradation of Iran's capabilities while keeping infrastructure for whoever they think will rule Iran next.

As for Greenlannd, I think Trump would be more serious about taking it now than before since NATO has shown it has less desire to take part in America's adventures and would rather keep the defensive alliance a purely defensive one, especially after the Ukraine war.

 

[Reborn]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-administration-iran-ground-troop-preparations/

So its boots on the ground it can happen any time .

Bro this is nothing like the actual mobilization needed to have troops on the ground.

The movements of troops are in batches and weeks apart in their arrival. Not to mention the numbers are quite low - around 5k.

There's also a strong sentiments against this.

The movements you are seeing is for-
"crisis response force" and not actual grounding of troops to take the regime down

 

[Logiko]

Now he will throw a tantrum at you lmao

You betcha

and know that it's the Fault of Leftists like yourself that Fascist rose again

You live in a fantasy my dear. Reactance is not a thing in such context. If you are racist and reactionnary, you only have yourself to blame (and your material condition of course, but that's not a discussion you are ready to have)

Problem here is we just gave a general observation about the left on selective activism (which is true actually and everyone knows the reason) and suddenly we have a leftist getting defensive about it lol

I mean logiko felt the need to take it personal and get reactionary says enough

No. You didn't "just gave an observation". You made a comparison that every leftist are hearing from racist and fascist all the time on all kind of subject

"you don't care about gays you only talk about islamophobia"
"you don't care about Sudan, you only talk about arabs"
"You don't care about racism, you only talk about trans people"
"you don't care about muslim, you only talk about class struggles"
"you don't care about fascism, you only talk about revolutions"

Etc. on every freaking damn subject.

It's not good, it's not intelligent, it's not relevant, it's not pertinent, it's a defense mechanism from reactionnaries who are trying to justify their lack of care for ANY actual struggle by pointing out leftists who are trying to make them understand what is important to them. Of course not understanding or even knowing that most leftist actually talk about all these subject or have specialities or not enough knowledge to talk about everything all the time.

There are some area that needs more attention, that is true, for exemple, if I'm talking about colonialism in the context of US natives and their struggle you will mostly likely be lost, same from the imperialism of western countries on the caraibes and other islands, same for the Rohingya, same for the invisibilization disabled in all nations, same for the current danger faced by LGBTQI in Senegal at the moment, same for the lacks of rights and inequalities faced by racialized people in south africa, same for the situation of prisonners and poor people in Japan, same for the women in japan! Same for the status of migrants in west Europe. ETC.

I bet you guyz are talking about these problems all the time here, right ? RIGHT?

Wrong.

Your dreadfull comparisons are but an umpteenth wave of reactionnarism that tries to protect itself within itself by trying to point out leftist and reproducing their vertue signaling.... uneffectively.

This is especially triggering because these remarks are things that we are telling ourselve ALL the FREAKING time to push ourselves to look beyond our political biases! We are constantly fearing our blindspot while people like you guy strut around like peacocks with your geopolitical commander cosplay, your level 0 of understanding and your reactionnary rethorics.

And yeah. it pisses me off