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See this here is a big showcase of your problem. I did no such thing. Nothing about what I said suggests or imply a connection between hate and being radical.
My posts are obviously critical about your assumptions about me that has been proven wrong and admitted by you time and time again.
And you're once again placing yourself as the representative for others. You always act like leftists should all act the same or in a specific way.
You're doing it again. My posts doesnt say nor imply that being hateful = too critical of the system. You are the one who made a ton of generalized assumptions that I proved wrong by simply existing. You don't have to be filled the emotional hate to heavily critize things.
Once again you assume I don't understand things simply because I disagree with your mountain of generalizations rooted in assumption when applied to me as an individual. For example, cops in general tend to lean right wing so therefore, so assume I myself must lean more that way when that is false. You what you say can be true when spoken in general but become false when you apply to me.
My posts are obviously critical about your assumptions about me that has been proven wrong and admitted by you time and time again.
And you're once again placing yourself as the representative for others. You always act like leftists should all act the same or in a specific way.
You're doing it again. My posts doesnt say nor imply that being hateful = too critical of the system. You are the one who made a ton of generalized assumptions that I proved wrong by simply existing. You don't have to be filled the emotional hate to heavily critize things.
Once again you assume I don't understand things simply because I disagree with your mountain of generalizations rooted in assumption when applied to me as an individual. For example, cops in general tend to lean right wing so therefore, so assume I myself must lean more that way when that is false. You what you say can be true when spoken in general but become false when you apply to me.
Ok. Fair. Let me hold that thoughts then, what do you mean by "being hateful" exactly?
Nothing about what I said about you was proven wrong mate. Don't mistake me praising you for having a good base knowledge with me contradicting my point about your material interest or your lack of understanding of leftism.
You have good theoritical knowledge. but your framing is backward, this never changed. And it demonstrate very well that surface level knowledge alone can't bring awareness. There must be a shift of positionning and biases.
Should all leftist be as radical as I am? Yes. Should all leftist act the same way? I don't believe so.
Our conversation are contextual. And what you write here resonnates with everything you write otherwise. In the context of our constant back and forth, where you are constantly criticizing the way I talk about politics with the way other people (who think like me) talk, the way you belittle us, the way you consider us as irrationnal.. Me thinking that you equate "hatefull" with being "too radical, or dumbly radical like us" is a perfectly legitimate assumption to have.
I really hope that one day in this thread, you will see that what I say is a rethoric, a knowledge and a vision shared by LARGE movements of activist.
I'm not unique.
I'm not a representant of anyone
I'm not even that radical or angry.
You are in panic mode because I simply don't back done. But my rethoric is not special, it's not arrogant, it's not even new. It's simply distributed with an obsession to make people understand.
I'm simply sharing what I hear with a spicy twist that I never give up on trying. That's fucking all.
not really sorry
Yup
Nop. That's not what I assume at least not exactly. I think there is a pressure of your material condition as a cop, but you being a cop doesn't mean that you lean on the right. Could be the opposite: you being more of a rightist would INFLUENCE the fact that you became a cop.
In such case, you being a cop is a result of your ideology, not something that influences you. But yeah, it's also possible that being a cop makes you more right.. both are possible. Usually it's a bit of both.
I'm not making a clear assumption, i'm just linking your rethoric (you constantly criticizing of my leftism) with your material conditions of existence. As a cop, but ALSO as a moderator. To be fair, you brought the cop thing yourself. What I wanted to do at the beginning is criticizing your position as a moderator since this position is directly impacted by my critics toward the staff. So you have good material reasons to attack me outside of just your ideology. The cop things, just contextualized even more this conflict that we have.
We can stop talking about you being a cop if you want. It will be the same thing with your moderator status. The same logic applies to a much lesser degree.
Nothing about what I said about you was proven wrong mate. Don't mistake me praising you for having a good base knowledge with me contradicting my point about your material interest or your lack of understanding of leftism.
You have good theoritical knowledge. but your framing is backward, this never changed. And it demonstrate very well that surface level knowledge alone can't bring awareness. There must be a shift of positionning and biases.
Should all leftist be as radical as I am? Yes. Should all leftist act the same way? I don't believe so.
Our conversation are contextual. And what you write here resonnates with everything you write otherwise. In the context of our constant back and forth, where you are constantly criticizing the way I talk about politics with the way other people (who think like me) talk, the way you belittle us, the way you consider us as irrationnal.. Me thinking that you equate "hatefull" with being "too radical, or dumbly radical like us" is a perfectly legitimate assumption to have.
I really hope that one day in this thread, you will see that what I say is a rethoric, a knowledge and a vision shared by LARGE movements of activist.
I'm not unique.
I'm not a representant of anyone
I'm not even that radical or angry.
You are in panic mode because I simply don't back done. But my rethoric is not special, it's not arrogant, it's not even new. It's simply distributed with an obsession to make people understand.
I'm simply sharing what I hear with a spicy twist that I never give up on trying. That's fucking all.
not really sorry
Yup
Nop. That's not what I assume at least not exactly. I think there is a pressure of your material condition as a cop, but you being a cop doesn't mean that you lean on the right. Could be the opposite: you being more of a rightist would INFLUENCE the fact that you became a cop.
In such case, you being a cop is a result of your ideology, not something that influences you. But yeah, it's also possible that being a cop makes you more right.. both are possible. Usually it's a bit of both.
I'm not making a clear assumption, i'm just linking your rethoric (you constantly criticizing of my leftism) with your material conditions of existence. As a cop, but ALSO as a moderator. To be fair, you brought the cop thing yourself. What I wanted to do at the beginning is criticizing your position as a moderator since this position is directly impacted by my critics toward the staff. So you have good material reasons to attack me outside of just your ideology. The cop things, just contextualized even more this conflict that we have.
We can stop talking about you being a cop if you want. It will be the same thing with your moderator status. The same logic applies to a much lesser degree.
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So you judge people are not thinking exactly like you. Nowhere is it stated that you have to make up definitions and greatly confuse people to be radical though?
There ya go. Not the actual leftism by definition and its historical context, but your personal version. So it is perfectly fine for you to judge the leftism of others, but your self admitted made up version is off limits for criticism and disqualifies others if they do so🤪
Do as I say, not as I do in full throttle
There ya go. Not the actual leftism by definition and its historical context, but your personal version. So it is perfectly fine for you to judge the leftism of others, but your self admitted made up version is off limits for criticism and disqualifies others if they do so🤪
Do as I say, not as I do in full throttle
Politicisation is never easy or everyone would be a radical leftist. Do you think it was easy to understand what i'm trying to explain?
Yeah. it's the leftism I belong to.. And I'm showing you that you are constantly criticize it. It's a fact. And SO WHAT?
It's quite something, this viceral reaction most of you have when you get challenged in your beliefs system or when someone is telling you "you don't understand". You are clearly not used to that.
The % of replies based on the actual content of my message is abysmally small.. You guyz only have two types of response:
- "You are dumb,, or ignorant, or crazy, or an extremist or some lunatics that does not understand leftism" (without argumentation ofc)
- "waaaaaa waaaaaa all you do is telling people they don't understand, you don't care about our feeeeeeeeeling and you are really disrespectful you ignorant punk" (Not even an exageration)
3000 pages!
3000 freaking pages of whining - from both side, I include myself - because you people have someone in front of you that does not give up trying to politicize you and you can't take it, pushing me to justify myself CONSTANTLY on the legitimacy of my remarks.
Yes, sometimes I go a bit too far, but my argumentation is no different than any other activist. I'm a nice one in fact. Most communist and marxist I know would look at this place and insult the descendance of each one of the reactionnary and fake leftist here while insulting me at the same time for keeping the discussion open and keeping the hope of politicizing you.. Before exiting with a big "fuck you all".
It would be time to understand the type of thread we are interacting in. It's not called "let's agree on politics", it's called "general political discussion". This includes debate and people judging the political vision of others. It's part of the game.
Politics is a question of life and death. Don't expect people to ask others nicely to change a vision that risk to destroy people they love or respect. People like us need to go for the throat and it is perfectly legitimate. (it's a metaphor, I never know with you..)
At best i'm saying "you don't understand" at worse I will be sarcastic or a bit spicy or will label politically. I might be tired of the constant eternal movement of outofsubject critics that comes EACH time I make a freaking statement. I have other things to do than to constantly whine because people are telling me "you are wrong stoopid".
If I consider that your vision is depoliticised, hurtfull, unethical and prevents change to happen .. yeah. I will judge. Or at least I will show you a more politicized vision in line with materialist, intersectional and scientific praxis.
So let's stop whining. Let's not act as this thread is some heavenly place of respect where I happen to be the only one to be politically pushy. Answer to my post. If you don't like them, create a counter argumentations. Let's stop - me or you people - going for the form so we can finally move the F on and have a real debate on real data.
The patience I have with you people sometimes...
Yeah. it's the leftism I belong to.. And I'm showing you that you are constantly criticize it. It's a fact. And SO WHAT?
It's quite something, this viceral reaction most of you have when you get challenged in your beliefs system or when someone is telling you "you don't understand". You are clearly not used to that.
The % of replies based on the actual content of my message is abysmally small.. You guyz only have two types of response:
- "You are dumb,, or ignorant, or crazy, or an extremist or some lunatics that does not understand leftism" (without argumentation ofc)
- "waaaaaa waaaaaa all you do is telling people they don't understand, you don't care about our feeeeeeeeeling and you are really disrespectful you ignorant punk" (Not even an exageration)
3000 pages!
3000 freaking pages of whining - from both side, I include myself - because you people have someone in front of you that does not give up trying to politicize you and you can't take it, pushing me to justify myself CONSTANTLY on the legitimacy of my remarks.
Yes, sometimes I go a bit too far, but my argumentation is no different than any other activist. I'm a nice one in fact. Most communist and marxist I know would look at this place and insult the descendance of each one of the reactionnary and fake leftist here while insulting me at the same time for keeping the discussion open and keeping the hope of politicizing you.. Before exiting with a big "fuck you all".
It would be time to understand the type of thread we are interacting in. It's not called "let's agree on politics", it's called "general political discussion". This includes debate and people judging the political vision of others. It's part of the game.
Politics is a question of life and death. Don't expect people to ask others nicely to change a vision that risk to destroy people they love or respect. People like us need to go for the throat and it is perfectly legitimate. (it's a metaphor, I never know with you..)
At best i'm saying "you don't understand" at worse I will be sarcastic or a bit spicy or will label politically. I might be tired of the constant eternal movement of outofsubject critics that comes EACH time I make a freaking statement. I have other things to do than to constantly whine because people are telling me "you are wrong stoopid".
If I consider that your vision is depoliticised, hurtfull, unethical and prevents change to happen .. yeah. I will judge. Or at least I will show you a more politicized vision in line with materialist, intersectional and scientific praxis.
So let's stop whining. Let's not act as this thread is some heavenly place of respect where I happen to be the only one to be politically pushy. Answer to my post. If you don't like them, create a counter argumentations. Let's stop - me or you people - going for the form so we can finally move the F on and have a real debate on real data.
The patience I have with you people sometimes...
Right! You are a unique diamant of uniqueness. Your behavior can't be scratched by the horrendus storms of social influences. You are much like a god, intouchable, immuable, absolutely devoided of these social behavior related to patterns that we mere mortals are all experiencing. You are so much more, a single absolutely special ray of wisesness, and I ? I'm the random deluded one but you, in your great uniqueness can't depict obvious and predetermined social interactions that can be predicted and analyzed on the entire planet...
After all, you are above the material and the social. All hail our uniqueness Zenos-Sama, the great unpredictible !!
After all, you are above the material and the social. All hail our uniqueness Zenos-Sama, the great unpredictible !!
Yet once again completely irrelevant to what we are saying, and you being comically unaware of your arrogant behaviour in which you know better than everyone and their mothers about their thought processes, opinions and decisions.
Sweetheart, the world doesnt revolve around you.
@Uncle Van and plenty others here have enough integrity and intellectual honesty to judge your bullshit solely based on what is written, and not by who wrote it.
@Uncle Van and plenty others here have enough integrity and intellectual honesty to judge your bullshit solely based on what is written, and not by who wrote it.
Indeed. I debate, you complain.
Usually it's the doctors that are responsible for the lack of information. So I don't blame women (i don't have a say in the way they use their body). I don't want to individualize the problem which is the system.
I'm perfectly aware when I'm taunting you mate. Don't worry. I just consider it perfectly legitimate.
Perhaps. I've yet to see that. But I like surprises
It seems to be very important to you
No indeed. It's a critical mindset and an ego problem issue. To look at the sources of the problem, analyse here who is capable of admitting to be wrong and who can't take it
Usually it's the doctors that are responsible for the lack of information. So I don't blame women (i don't have a say in the way they use their body). I don't want to individualize the problem which is the system.
I'm perfectly aware when I'm taunting you mate. Don't worry. I just consider it perfectly legitimate.
Perhaps. I've yet to see that. But I like surprises
It seems to be very important to you
No indeed. It's a critical mindset and an ego problem issue. To look at the sources of the problem, analyse here who is capable of admitting to be wrong and who can't take it
