Speculations Catarina Devon’s role is simpler than you think

[Kair0s1]

Teach learns about the Seraphim when he goes to Amazon Lily to kill Boa Hancock. At that point, he sends Catarina Devon to Egghead. Her role was likely just to infiltrate and take on the appearance of one of the six Vegapunks.

But as usual, fate works in Blackbeard’s favor. Devon ended up running into Saturn, the highest authority in the Seraphim command hierarchy.

Remember how the Seraphim work? We’ve seen it with York and Lucci.
When Rob Lucci takes control of the Seraphim, Stussy explains that she can’t override his orders because they’re on the same level in the command hierarchy.

The same thing happens with York. The other Vegapunks couldn’t understand why they couldn’t stop the Seraphim, and the reason was simple: another Vegapunk was giving the orders. Only York could stop them or change those commands.

Now imagine Catarina Devon giving orders to the Seraphim while disguised as Saturn. Who could override those orders? No one is above the Gorosei, and Saturn is dead.
Devon potentially controls a force meant to replace the Shichibukai.
So let me ask you: how will the Seraphim be handled in the final war? Who’s going to deal with them?

 

[Jackteo]

Might be, but I think there is more to it. No one would stop Catarina disguised as Saturn from entering any place in Marijoa. The ice laden room with the giant straw hat seems a good place to visit. It may also come in handy for opening the gates of justice

 

[ZippySpace]

I legit forgot the seraphim exist. We got a few panels of the Doffy, Crocodile and Moria seraphims and that's it.

 

[Kair0s1]

Might be, but I think there is more to it. No one would stop Catarina disguised as Saturn from entering any place in Marijoa. The ice laden room with the giant straw hat seems a good place to visit. It may also come in handy for opening the gates of justice

There could definitely be more uses for it, but their original plan couldn’t have accounted for Saturn being at Egghead. No one knew what was going to happen on that island.
Devon going there to copy Vegapunk is just the most straightforward and logical objective.
Also she was with Blackbeard at Amazon Lily. That's when they first learned about the Seraphim in the first place.

They don’t even know that Saturn is dead btw. Out of all the places you could go using Saturn’s appearance, the Holy Land is actually the worst option. As far as they know Saturn should be there, and it would be easy to get exposed.

 

[vikas]

I bet oda will forgot it already and will just use it fir sone short term stuff when he remembers

 

[Impact]

Hmm, no (about it being simpler). Isn't this precisely what many of us were already thinking? 🤔

 

[FutureWarrior123]

Yep, Blackbeard will steal the Seraphim.

The Ten Titanic Captains don’t seem that impressive because his fleet isn’t finalized with these members. The Seraphim will be his strongest subordinates.

 

[Kair0s1]

Hmm, no (about it being simpler). Isn't this precisely what many of us were already thinking? 🤔

A lot of people are saying that Blackbeard’s plan is bound to fail because he doesn’t know Saturn is dead, so he’d get exposed trying to infiltrate the Holy Land.
I just don’t think that’s the plan to begin with.

 

[Impact]

A lot of people are saying that Blackbeard’s plan is bound to fail because he doesn’t know Saturn is dead, so he’d get exposed trying to infiltrate the Holy Land.
I just don’t think that’s the plan to begin with.

Oh, yeah, well most of the convoluted theories people come up with won't happen, so you're not wrong to point out how dumb that is.

 

[Kair0s1]

Yep, Blackbeard will steal the Seraphim.

The Ten Titanic Captains don’t seem that impressive because his fleet isn’t finalized with these members. The Seraphim will be his strongest subordinates.

The entire Blackbeard crew is getting power-ups.
They’re clearly being set up as the Straw Hats’ final antagonists, so each of them has to be a top-tier threat.
They’re not there yet, but Blackbeard isn’t at his peak yet and neither is his crew.

 

[FutureWarrior123]

The entire Blackbeard crew is getting power-ups.
They’re clearly being set up as the Straw Hats’ final antagonists, so each of them has to be a top-tier threat.
They’re not there yet, but Blackbeard isn’t at his peak yet and neither is his crew.

Them being Straw Hat opponents is precisely why most of them can’t be top tier opponents.

They have to be reasonable opponents for people like Robin or Brook, who are gonna peak at Yonko commander level by the end of it.

 

[Kair0s1]

Them being Straw Hat opponents is precisely why most of them can’t be top tier opponents.

They have to be reasonable opponents for people like Robin or Brook, who are gonna peak at Yonko commander level by the end of it.

I can easily imagine Blackbeard’s crew reaching at least Gorosei-level power at their peak. They could even have the same types of abilities if Blackbeard ends up taking Imu’s powers.

 

[Impact]

I can easily imagine Blackbeard’s crew reaching at least Gorosei-level power at their peak. They could even have the same types of abilities if Blackbeard ends up taking Imu’s powers.

There's a few crazy theories going on here simultaneously.

1. Blackbeard plans to invade the Holy Land and he is going to use Catarina Devon for access.

2. Imu can grant awakened mythic devil fruit abilities to people he gives contracts to.

3. Blackbeard will use 3 fruits with Imu's fruit being the last one therefore granting him the above ability to grant mythic awakened zoan fruit powers to his entire crew.

I understand most people are 99% sure those will happen, but I'm in that 1% who isn't positive about it.

One issue with that I can see is that Blackbeard's crew respects the fact each of them have their own agency, by forcing them into contracts for more power, that would compromise their agency. I think they want the right to turn down an order if they just don't want to do it, they're not friends. They're business partners.

That concept of forcing people to be in contracts only really fits Imu because the culture he has includes robbing people of their agency (even unknowingly). Imu kills anybody that knows about him if they're not completely under his thumb.

Blackbeard, on the other hand, lives among the thousands of pirates at Fullalead. What's he going to do, force all of them into contracts?

 

[FutureWarrior123]

I can easily imagine Blackbeard’s crew reaching at least Gorosei-level power at their peak.

Nah I very much disagree with this. Maybe Shiryu at best.

 

[Kair0s1]

There's a few crazy theories going on here simultaneously.

1. Blackbeard plans to invade the Holy Land and he is going to use Catarina Devon for access.

2. Imu can grant awakened mythic devil fruit abilities to people he gives contracts to.

3. Blackbeard will use 3 fruits with Imu's fruit being the last one therefore granting him the above ability to grant mythic awakened zoan fruit powers to his entire crew.

I understand most people are 99% sure those will happen, but I'm in that 1% who isn't positive about it.

One issue with that I can see is that Blackbeard's crew respects the fact each of them have their own agency, by forcing them into contracts for more power, that would compromise their agency. I think they want the right to turn down an order if they just don't want to do it, they're not friends. They're business partners.

That concept of forcing people to be in contracts only really fits Imu because the culture he has includes robbing people of their agency (even unknowingly). Imu kills anybody that knows about him if they're not completely under his thumb.

Blackbeard, on the other hand, lives among the thousands of pirates at Fullalead. What's he going to do, force all of them into contracts?

1. I think that Blackbeard's crew has attacked the Holy Land, but the plan doesn’t involve a direct assault by the entire crew, and Catarina Devon isn’t really part of it. I think this is mostly something Lafitte is handling, probably using the weapons they took from the Revolutionaries at Baltigo.

2. I agree that it’s far from certain that Imu grants mythic devil fruit abilities through his contracts. I wouldn’t take that for granted.

3. I’m convinced Blackbeard will come out on top against Imu. I don’t know if he’ll take Imu’s powers, but he’ll definitely get some power ups. He’s a character who progresses as the story goes on. He’s not at his peak like other antagonists. Taking Imu’s powers seems like the most obvious option.

 

[Impact]

1. I think that Blackbeard's crew has attacked the Holy Land, but the plan doesn’t involve a direct assault by the entire crew, and Catarina Devon isn’t really part of it. I think this is mostly something Lafitte is handling, probably using the weapons they took from the Revolutionaries at Baltigo.

2. I agree that it’s far from certain that Imu grants mythic devil fruit abilities through his contracts. I wouldn’t take that for granted.

3. I’m convinced Blackbeard will come out on top against Imu. I don’t know if he’ll take Imu’s powers, but he’ll definitely get some power ups. He’s a character who progresses as the story goes on. He’s not at his peak like other antagonists. Taking Imu’s powers seems like the most obvious option.

Yeah, he's gonna kick Imu's paranoid ass lol

 

[Paperchampion23]

Teach learns about the Seraphim when he goes to Amazon Lily to kill Boa Hancock. At that point, he sends Catarina Devon to Egghead. Her role was likely just to infiltrate and take on the appearance of one of the six Vegapunks.

But as usual, fate works in Blackbeard’s favor. Devon ended up running into Saturn, the highest authority in the Seraphim command hierarchy.

Remember how the Seraphim work? We’ve seen it with York and Lucci.
When Rob Lucci takes control of the Seraphim, Stussy explains that she can’t override his orders because they’re on the same level in the command hierarchy.

The same thing happens with York. The other Vegapunks couldn’t understand why they couldn’t stop the Seraphim, and the reason was simple: another Vegapunk was giving the orders. Only York could stop them or change those commands.

Now imagine Catarina Devon giving orders to the Seraphim while disguised as Saturn. Who could override those orders? No one is above the Gorosei, and Saturn is dead.
Devon potentially controls a force meant to replace the Shichibukai.
So let me ask you: how will the Seraphim be handled in the final war? Who’s going to deal with them?

Honestly?

Best take ive seen about this. Laffite is the only one near Mariejoa right now monitoring whatever incidents keep happening between the RA and Govt. Devon went back to Pirate Island.

It makes far more sense to me that, especially if all parties partake in the big endgame war, that Blackbeard can pretty much turn the Seraphim on everyone. The only caveat is Bonney. She is the key to overriding even the Seraphim unless they can program that out without VP

 

[Shiroyru]

Honestly?

Best take ive seen about this. Laffite is the only one near Mariejoa right now monitoring whatever incidents keep happening between the RA and Govt. Devon went back to Pirate Island.

It makes far more sense to me that, especially if all parties partake in the big endgame war, that Blackbeard can pretty much turn the Seraphim on everyone. The only caveat is Bonney. She is the key to overriding even the Seraphim unless they can program that out without VP

Imu could Domi Reversi the Seraphim to force them back to his side

 

[Kair0s1]

Honestly?

Best take ive seen about this. Laffite is the only one near Mariejoa right now monitoring whatever incidents keep happening between the RA and Govt. Devon went back to Pirate Island.

It makes far more sense to me that, especially if all parties partake in the big endgame war, that Blackbeard can pretty much turn the Seraphim on everyone. The only caveat is Bonney. She is the key to overriding even the Seraphim unless they can program that out without VP

Bonney only has authority over the PX that look like her father. She shouldn’t be able to command the Seraphim.

 

[Salah WG]

Saturn isn't just Highest Authority of Seraphim, He is Highest Public Authority of World Government,
If Blackbeard Pirates get their Hands on Seraphim, it would simply be a great Bonus, not Main Plan,
Devon can use Saturn's Appearance to make some Huge Announcement,

We got Laffitte to Hypnotize whoever gonna Broadcast it & make it look Official (Just like He did in Impel Down to open Justice Gate),
Augur's DF & Shiryu's DF might play a Role too. Doflamingo done it before, and now Blackbeard got the Chance to do something way crazier.

You know what would Impress me? Blackbeard organizing a Worldwide "Native Hunting Competition" (Again, similar to what Doffy done),
They would match Doffy's Speech about how different Kids have different Definitions of Justice,

If Doflamingo is Celestial Dragon Prince who lost his Crown & then claimed it again but only so that He one day dethrone them all,
Then Blackbeard is Pirate Prince Equivalent of that, He is just growing his Pirate Empire so that one day He brings ruin to all Pirates,
(It's also indicated by his Darkness DF, as He starts by absorbing everything, then ejecting it all corrupted & broken)