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I want to make you understand that no leftist accepts to work with far rightists. I search your information, I can't find any source. So I have a problem believing you. But even if it was true, we are not talking about anything more than a protest. No one far rightist is joining any leftist here. These are people parasiting the protest.
I don't know how it work in UK, maybe they don't have a choice but to accept them, in France these people would get a "fuck you get out".
Be careful with big assesment like that. They only represent themselves, not leftists.
And I'm about to win a trillion Euros.
I don't know how it work in UK, maybe they don't have a choice but to accept them, in France these people would get a "fuck you get out".
Be careful with big assesment like that. They only represent themselves, not leftists.
And I'm about to win a trillion Euros.
Oh no, they have agency, but the mollah stripped them of this agency and the imperialist of the US forced them to push a revolution in the first place. So instead of talking about the alliance of leftists with religious far rightist, we should talk about mollah and the imperialism in the context of a bad praxis from leftists.
But here, we are talking about Revolutions. In case of revolutions, or resistance, it's logical to make alliances. The case you are making "ironically a lot of leftists do happen to work with far rightists " is disinguenous since you are stripping the contextual informations of said alliances > the necessity to take down the regime of the shah, supported by the US.
In the context of war, alliances are a question of survival. Here, we are talking about protests.
Leftist are antifascist by definition (or they are not to be trusted as leftists). There is no such thing as "islamofascist " on the left. it's a moral panic created by far rightists.
There are muslim fighting on the left. Yea. but they are antifascist, antiimperialist. Usually far more politically aware than most people here including both of us on progressism and often revolutionnaries.
I don't know about UK, maybe the left is stupid there. But in France, we have people with ethical lines. From what I see and here, I see no reason to believe you on other country.
Leftist are leftist. No matter their religion. If assholes are parasiting protests, leftists are not responsibles. At least not in my knowledge on these events that I'm still waiting data on.
But here, we are talking about Revolutions. In case of revolutions, or resistance, it's logical to make alliances. The case you are making "ironically a lot of leftists do happen to work with far rightists " is disinguenous since you are stripping the contextual informations of said alliances > the necessity to take down the regime of the shah, supported by the US.
In the context of war, alliances are a question of survival. Here, we are talking about protests.
Leftist are antifascist by definition (or they are not to be trusted as leftists). There is no such thing as "islamofascist " on the left. it's a moral panic created by far rightists.
There are muslim fighting on the left. Yea. but they are antifascist, antiimperialist. Usually far more politically aware than most people here including both of us on progressism and often revolutionnaries.
I don't know about UK, maybe the left is stupid there. But in France, we have people with ethical lines. From what I see and here, I see no reason to believe you on other country.
Leftist are leftist. No matter their religion. If assholes are parasiting protests, leftists are not responsibles. At least not in my knowledge on these events that I'm still waiting data on.
Just so you know what some people think about the "no kings" protests:
And I mean...
It's not a question of true or not true. It's not politically possible. Unless there is a parameter I don't know about about the left in UK and a strange unatural fascist/leftist alliance that would be stupid and useless, there is no such things and I've seen no reason to believe that. There are no reason for it. Understand the political logic behind movements and you will understand why this is not possible.
Give me informations and data, or stop just making big assumption on wind. And stop trusting "the news".
It's an abuse of language. If you prefer, it's "by political nature".
Again, stop looking at the form, look at the content.
And I mean...
It's not a question of true or not true. It's not politically possible. Unless there is a parameter I don't know about about the left in UK and a strange unatural fascist/leftist alliance that would be stupid and useless, there is no such things and I've seen no reason to believe that. There are no reason for it. Understand the political logic behind movements and you will understand why this is not possible.
Give me informations and data, or stop just making big assumption on wind. And stop trusting "the news".
It's an abuse of language. If you prefer, it's "by political nature".
Again, stop looking at the form, look at the content.
Just so you know what some people think about the "no kings" protests:
And I mean...
It's not a question of true or not true. It's not politically possible. Unless there is a parameter I don't know about about the left in UK and a strange unatural fascist/leftist alliance that would be stupid and useless, there is no such things and I've seen no reason to believe that. There are no reason for it. Understand the political logic behind movements and you will understand why this is not possible.
Give me informations and data, or stop just making big assumption on wind. And stop trusting "the news".
It's an abuse of language. If you prefer, it's "by political nature".
Again, stop looking at the form, look at the content.
And I mean...
It's not a question of true or not true. It's not politically possible. Unless there is a parameter I don't know about about the left in UK and a strange unatural fascist/leftist alliance that would be stupid and useless, there is no such things and I've seen no reason to believe that. There are no reason for it. Understand the political logic behind movements and you will understand why this is not possible.
Give me informations and data, or stop just making big assumption on wind. And stop trusting "the news".
It's an abuse of language. If you prefer, it's "by political nature".
Again, stop looking at the form, look at the content.
