Questions & Mysteries The 20 kings were all humans, right?

ImmaIvanoM

ImmaIvanoM

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I mean it would be weird if 19 of the 20 kings were humans and then one of them was randomly whatever Imu was

I think his appearance is just his “power” ability. Like a zoan transformation

for the 20 kings to be kings, they would have to have had like lineages. Meaning Imu had a dad and granddad who were also kings that supposedly everyone at the time knew about.

Imu has to be human or else we would have to start questioning whether all the other 19 kings were human as wel
 
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OykotsTreasure

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Well, Killingham and Maffey both look like they have some sort of other race's lineage mixed in there.

Then there's that giant horned winged guy who was in the God's Knights during God Valley.

And who knows what's going on with that Skull-headed guy.

Maybe some of these people were "adopted" like what was offered to Loki, but some of them might not have been. And we know from the way that Shanks and Shamrock were conceived that not all Celestial Dragons are against breeding with other races and peoples.

We don't really know much about them. Some of their appearance might be explained by being caused by Devil Fruits or other powers. But, I think we can say not all of the 20 Families are pure human. There's probably a few other races mixed in there. It's probably mostly human, since that's mostly what we've seen. But, it may not be exclusively human.

The First 20 may not have been all humans. We really don't know.

What's really interesting to me is that Oda isn't necessarily calling them "The First 20 KINGS". Just "The First 20". We know they weren't always kings, since they likely overthrew someone else during the Second World. But, the way Oda keeps referring to them as "The First 20" feels like they were the "First" for something else, too. Maybe...some sort of "super soldier" program, or experiment? Maybe something like the process Kuma went through to become a Pacifista? Or...maybe clones like the Seraphim, maybe of people who lived during the First World, or something?

I don't know, maybe something to keep in mind.

But, we know so little about Celestial Dragon families or culture, that I'm not sure we really should assume anything.
 
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Salah WG

Salah WG

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I think They are some kind of Automata or Artificial Humans, and found a way to keep themselves Alive just like DFs keep Existing, Nerona Imu was Inhabiting whoever that Shadowy Female was, We still haven't been Introduced to Hakuba & whoever are Inhabiting Mihawk & Zunesha.
 
Kair0s1

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The Red Line was originally inhabited by the Lunarians, who were allies of Joy Boy. If Imu actually belonged to that race, then he would simply be a rebel who sided with humans to erase Joy Boy and his allies.
That would also line up with what the Harley text says: "The HUMANS slew the Sun and became gods."
And if you look at the Celestial Dragons, they’re all human. The only exceptions seem to be among the God’s Knights, but we already know they can be recruited from outside the Celestial Dragon lineage, like in the cases of Gunko and Harald.
 
Loki D. Terror

Loki D. Terror

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ImmaIvanoM said:
I mean it would be weird if 19 of the 20 kings were humans and then one of them was randomly whatever Imu was

I think his appearance is just his “power” ability. Like a zoan transformation

for the 20 kings to be kings, they would have to have had like lineages. Meaning Imu had a dad and granddad who were also kings that supposedly everyone at the time knew about.

Imu has to be human or else we would have to start questioning whether all the other 19 kings were human as wel
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Imu is a human who has eaten "Devil" devil fruit. He also had Perennial Youth Operation done on him most likely hence he is immortal.
 
kekaro

kekaro

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Could be,

We seen however some HKs that maybe are from other races, so its not a lock, but than again through loki and harald we know you dont need to be a "pure" CD to become one, so who knows


Could be oda goes for that angle that the leader of the super human racists is also not a human himself
 
S.W317

S.W317

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TheKnightOfTheSea said:
The entity known as Mu is likely inhabiting the body of Nerona Imu but is a different entity altogether
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I believe so as well, I think that “Mu” is the true final villain and is the demon from the fist world tuned fruit just like Nika.

My theory is that the ancestors of the winged races created devil fruit prototypes including the Gomu Gomu no mi and others, with the “Devil” being created accidentally as a bi-product of the procedure.

While I believe that 90% were later created by the ancient kingdom in the second world, the dwellers being the followers of Nika.

I also believe that the Monkey D is the lineage of Nika and Joy Boy(meaning Nika is JBs ancestor and JB is Garp’s ancestor)
 
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OykotsTreasure

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Kair0s1 said:
That would also line up with what the Harley text says: "The HUMANS slew the Sun and became gods."
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Well, I think that's supposed to be "Humans" in the broad sense. Technically ALL the races are still part of the broader Human species, because as we've recently learned, they can all mate with each other to produce offspring of different hybrid races. The Wotan, the Dosundadas, and so on.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Race

The Japanese character being used in that line is "Hito" (人), which does mean "Human". But, that same character is also found in the Japanese word for Fish Man ( 魚人). So, Fish Men and Giants and Tontatta and the rest likely all still count as "Human". They might be different races, but they're still part of the Human species. They all still count as Humans, even if they all don't get treated as such.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/人
https://thelibraryofohara.com/2025/02/02/chapter-secrets-one-piece-chapter-1138-giga-analysis/
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Fish-Men

So, that line could mean that they were all basic-Humans. Or there could be other Human-races in that group. We still don't know. I don't think that line is clear enough one way or another to really tell for sure.
 
Kair0s1

Kair0s1

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OykotsTreasure said:
Well, I think that's supposed to be "Humans" in the broad sense. Technically ALL the races are still part of the broader Human species, because as we've recently learned, they can all mate with each other to produce offspring of different hybrid races. The Wotan, the Dosundadas, and so on.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Race

The Japanese character being used in that line is "Hito" (人), which does mean "Human". But, that same character is also found in the Japanese word for Fish Man ( 魚人). So, Fish Men and Giants and Tontatta and the rest likely all still count as "Human". They might be different races, but they're still part of the Human species. They all still count as Humans, even if they all don't get treated as such.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/人
https://thelibraryofohara.com/2025/02/02/chapter-secrets-one-piece-chapter-1138-giga-analysis/
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Fish-Men

So, that line could mean that they were all basic-Humans. Or there could be other Human-races in that group. We still don't know. I don't think that line is clear enough one way or another to really tell for sure.
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Fair enough, thanks for the clarification. In any case, the regular Celestial Dragons we’ve seen in the Holy Land have always been normal humans. The only exceptions we’ve seen recently are among the God’s Knights, but like I said they can recruit pretty much anyone into that group.
Also, most of the islands and nations that host other races aren’t affiliated with the World Government.
 
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