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You mistake US power on paper with its power in reality. I've already linked articles showing how US is pushing its missile power to the limit in Iran, and that goes for the Navy as well with deploying the third US aircraft carrier out of four operational ones. The US is not holding back its air or naval power and that 11000 hits statistic shows it.

The only thing it hasn't mobilized enough of is ground troops, but that is not gonna happen. America does not have the free logistical capacity to invade and occupy Iran without abandoning Europe and East Asia.

This is the limit of America's fighting power in the Middle East in 2026, unlike in 2003 where China and Russia were not much of a threat.

Iran's defense is so bad that the USA lost 12 aircrafts from April 3 to April 5 in Iran:
1 F15, 1 A10, 4 MH6 helicopters, 2 C130, multiple MQ9 Reapers. The total cost of these aircraft is more than half a billion dollars. And these were US special forces using better stealth, training and tactics than any other Arab country in the region.

Its clear that the Iranian inner defenses have not been suppressed like what the DoD or Trump claim.

Besides that, the Gulf states are very fragile. We're in week 6 where they get bombed daily and do nothing despite desalination and petrochemicals being hit which surprised even me.
Their only red line is internal unrest that may lead to their governments being threatened, otherwise they will do nothing unless the US tells them.
Sigh

I think you are grossly underestimating US capabilities based on one or two articles.

Let me give you in detail what USA has, (even this is what we actually know - not counting what's classified), what Iran is left with and why Gulf is not going on offense


US Global Logistics
It has the largest military logistics network in the world easily built for months long, if not year, sustained global operations.

It operates hundreds of overseas bases, possesses unmatched global airlift capability through aircraft like the C-17 and C-5

Even when compared collectively, countries like China and Russia do not match this level of long-range power projection.

You argument that the US cannot sustain operations in Iran without abandoning Europe or East Asia is a clear exaggeration and mixing strategic restraint and operations across multiple theatres with limited capacity.


Naval fleet
US naval strength is far greater than what is currently deployed in any single region.

It has 11 nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, and not four along with more than 9 amphibious assault ships that function as mini-carriers carrying F-35B jets.

It has 90 destroyers and cruisers equipped with advanced missile systems like Aegis and Tomahawk, and more than 60 nuclear submarines.

Your argument that deploying 3 or 4 carriers means the US is at its limit misunderstands naval strategy.

With 11 carriers in total, only a portion are deployed at any given time while others undergo maintenance or training cycles and US keep them spread across regions for strategic reasons.

Air fleet

The US Air Force maintains thousands of aircraft globally, while only a fraction are deployed in active combat zones. Estimate suggests that US deployed only around 30% of it's air fleet in Iran.

Has 180 F-22 stealth fighters, more than 300 F-35 variants, 200+ F-15s, and hundreds of F-16s.

In addition, it operates a powerful bomber fleet including the B-52, B-1B, and the stealth B-2 Spirit, along with numerous electronic warfare and support aircraft.

This means current deployments represent only a portion of total air capability.

The US deliberately keeps significant reserves to manage multiple global theaters simultaneously.


Claims that the US lost multiple high value aircrafts haven't been verified. Iran media also claimed they struck down US aircraft in Qatar and later it turned out to be a friendly fire case.

Without credible confirmation from other agencies these claims are highly doubtful. And, even if true then its a very small fraction of what US has and a small dent in terms of financial costs to an economy like US.

Aerial Refueling and Operational Reach

With hundreds of tanker aircraft like the KC-135 and KC-46, US fighters and bombers can operate thousands of kilometers away from their bases. This allows the US to rapidly scale air operations without needing additional regional bases.


Missile stockpiles

Missile inventory numbers are classified or only roughly estimated, so specific claims like “850 Tomahawks used” are not verifiable and are often speculative.

Now, let me give you estimated numbers.

Estimates suggest the US possesses around 3,500 to 5,000+ Tomahawk missiles, with production continuing.


More importantly, Tomahawks are just one part of a much larger strike arsenal. The US also fields air-launched cruise missiles like JASSM and JASSM-ER, which are stealthy and have ranges of up to 900+ km.

These can easily replace Tomahawk roles in many scenarios.

Carrier-based aircraft use precision bombs such as JDAM and Paveway, as well as anti-radar missiles like HARM, which are in far greater quantities than cruise missiles.


Naval forces also deploy systems like the SM-6 and Naval Strike Missile (NSM).

US also possesses strategic and ballistic weapons that are rarely used in conventional conflicts but remain available for escalation which US hasn't done yet.

Industrial Capacity

US is war economy and it hasn't switched to this aspect yet.

It has the world’s largest defense industrial base. Companies like Raytheon Technologies continue to scale production and build stockpiles at fast pace.


In long term conflicts, production capability and economic strength / stability matters more than initial stockpile numbers and financial losses of few billion dollars. And, US is unmatched here.

Financial Losses
It's a war so financial losses are bound to happen and even though numbers sound dramatic but are not meaningful indicators of military weakness.

The US defense budget exceeds $800 billion annually and can touch a trillion dollar this year.

Massive number of strikes

US has hit 11000 strikes so far. It doesn't indicate US is reaching its limits. In fact, they demonstrate the ability to sustain such operations over time. US has achieved something similar in Iraq as well in few weeks time.

What is being observed is likely a controlled level of escalation rather than maximum capacity.

Ground Forces deployment
It is true that the US has not deployed large ground forces but once again this is a deliberate strategic choice rather than a limitation.

Large scale occupations like Iraq and Afghanistan have proven politically costly and strategically inefficient.

The US has shifted toward “over-the-horizon warfare,” relying on airstrikes, drones, special forces, and allied support.

Avoiding invasion reflects a change in doctrine, not a lack of capabilities or Iran is being a deterrent.

Gulf States
The restrained response of Gulf countries does not indicate weakness. This is once again a misconception.

These states rely heavily on US security guarantees which means it's US who hasn't advised Gulf so far to go on offense. It's not needed as of now.

Gulf countries also don't want to go on offense in a war where they can been seen as an ally to Israel and against an Arab nation - it would be religious - political disaster.

Then, they are fuel economies. They want to ensure continuous supplies of fuels. Going on offense also risks these assets being targeted more frequently and deliberately.

People really should stop seeing strategic restraints as weakness.


Iran’s Air Defenses as of now
After nearly 11000 of strikes it is unrealistic to assume Iran’s air defense network remains fully intact or effective or its missiles stock piles are left intact in sufficient numbers.

Iran also doesn't have production capacity anywhere near what US and Israel have.

Obviously, it's air defence is still operational but air campaigns are designed to degrade, fragment, and disrupt air defense systems over time, not necessarily eliminate them completely.

That's why radar sites, command-and-control centers, airbases are targetted forcing systems to shut down or relocate.

Suppressing enemy air defenses does not always mean completely eliminating them.

US does not need to fully destroy Iran’s defenses to achieve its objectives, it can operate around them efficiently.

The fact that Iranian defenses can still hit sometimes does not mean they are strong but means they are operating in an opportunistic manner.

Now, we have seen successful US Search and Rescue Operation

When a US F-15E was shot down the pilot was rescued quickly. The second crew member survived 48 hours deep inside Iran before extraction before US rescued him.

100+ aircraft and hundreds of personnel special operations forces operated in hostile territory and US forces entered, operated, and exited Iranian airspace

You know what it shows?
It shows the US can penetrate Iranian airspace at will, coordinate large, complex operations deep inside enemy territory
maintain air superiority long enough to extract personnel and Iranian forces were unable to stop the rescue despite being fully alert in advance that such operations would happen.

US is not paper tiger. Don't confuse it's strategic restraints and intent to not escalate war beyond what US seeks as lack of capacities or Iran is pushing US back. There's a reason why US alone is a deterrent for Russia and China even now.
 
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US Global Logistics
It has the largest military logistics network in the world easily built for months long, if not year, sustained global operations.

It operates hundreds of overseas bases, possesses unmatched global airlift capability through aircraft like the C-17 and C-5

Even when compared collectively, countries like China and Russia do not match this level of long-range power projection.

You argument that the US cannot sustain operations in Iran without abandoning Europe or East Asia is a clear exaggeration and mixing strategic restraint and operations across multiple theatres with limited capacity.
Sure, but I didn't mention a lack of C17 or such planes being the reason the US is strained in Europe or East Asia. I said America does not have the logistics to occupy Iran without abandoning Europe and E.Asia to some degree.

Naval fleet
US naval strength is far greater than what is currently deployed in any single region.

It has 11 nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, and not four along with more than 9 amphibious assault ships that function as mini-carriers carrying F-35B jets.

It has 90 destroyers and cruisers equipped with advanced missile systems like Aegis and Tomahawk, and more than 60 nuclear submarines.

Your argument that deploying 3 or 4 carriers means the US is at its limit misunderstands naval strategy.

With 11 carriers in total, only a portion are deployed at any given time while others undergo maintenance or training cycles and US keep them spread across regions for strategic reasons.
Maintenance of Aircraft carriers takes a long time. Training a crew of 5000 sailors on top of the aircraft also takes time.
https://www.twz.com/sea/carrier-tracker-as-of-april-3-2026
Check the tracker, anything not in Green or Blue aren't available currently. The maintenance takes a long time, the Eisenhower for example should've been finished by July 2025, but is still under maintenance.
Our amphibious ships are also not exactly free, as Tripoli is already part of our operations in CENTCOM and Boxer is already heading towards there as well.

All in all, only the permanent carrier in Japan is deterring anything now. Europe has a lack of US Naval assets.
Air fleet

The US Air Force maintains thousands of aircraft globally, while only a fraction are deployed in active combat zones. Estimate suggests that US deployed only around 30% of it's air fleet in Iran.

Has 180 F-22 stealth fighters, more than 300 F-35 variants, 200+ F-15s, and hundreds of F-16s.

In addition, it operates a powerful bomber fleet including the B-52, B-1B, and the stealth B-2 Spirit, along with numerous electronic warfare and support aircraft.

This means current deployments represent only a portion of total air capability.

The US deliberately keeps significant reserves to manage multiple global theaters simultaneously.

Claims that the US lost multiple high value aircrafts haven't been verified. Iran media also claimed they struck down US aircraft in Qatar and later it turned out to be a friendly fire case.
Without credible confirmation from other agencies these claims are highly doubtful. And, even if true then its a very small fraction of what US has and a small dent in terms of financial costs to an economy like US.
Iran’s Air Defenses as of now
After nearly 11000 of strikes it is unrealistic to assume Iran’s air defense network remains fully intact or effective or its missiles stock piles are left intact in sufficient numbers.

Iran also doesn't have production capacity anywhere near what US and Israel have.

Obviously, it's air defence is still operational but air campaigns are designed to degrade, fragment, and disrupt air defense systems over time, not necessarily eliminate them completely.

That's why radar sites, command-and-control centers, airbases are targetted forcing systems to shut down or relocate.

Suppressing enemy air defenses does not always mean completely eliminating them.

US does not need to fully destroy Iran’s defenses to achieve its objectives, it can operate around them efficiently.

The fact that Iranian defenses can still hit sometimes does not mean they are strong but means they are operating in an opportunistic manner.
Missile stockpiles

Missile inventory numbers are classified or only roughly estimated, so specific claims like “850 Tomahawks used” are not verifiable and are often speculative.

Now, let me give you estimated numbers.

Estimates suggest the US possesses around 3,500 to 5,000+ Tomahawk missiles, with production continuing.


More importantly, Tomahawks are just one part of a much larger strike arsenal. The US also fields air-launched cruise missiles like JASSM and JASSM-ER, which are stealthy and have ranges of up to 900+ km.

These can easily replace Tomahawk roles in many scenarios.

Carrier-based aircraft use precision bombs such as JDAM and Paveway, as well as anti-radar missiles like HARM, which are in far greater quantities than cruise missiles.


Naval forces also deploy systems like the SM-6 and Naval Strike Missile (NSM).

US also possesses strategic and ballistic weapons that are rarely used in conventional conflicts but remain available for escalation which US hasn't done yet.
The USA has by far the biggest air fleet in the world. Nobody disputes that.
The losses I mentioned have all been verified by the US sources, Iran claims to have shot down or damaged more aircraft than this. High value planes like the E3 have been hit. I wouldn't believe much of what one side claims about the other, but I am willing to believe the losses the US itself has admitted to.
The operation were we penetrated deep into Iranian airspace caused losses of a dozen aircraft. And this was a short operation not meant to occupy an island at Iran's cost.

The Aircraft at the end of the day need missiles to cause damage, and the longer range missiles have been strained in this conflict. I'd ask you to read my posts more carefully as I already mentioned depleting both JASSM and Tomahawks. In fact, JASSM is more strained than Tomahawks so far. Also, not sure where you got that but we had at most 4K tomahawks pre-war. Here, I'll quote my original post:
Most of our stealth cruise missiles are going to the Middle East:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...k-of-stealthy-long-range-missile-for-iran-war
THAAD Air Defenses pulled away from South Korea:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...iles-thaad-south-korea-middle-east-seoul-iran

850 Tomahawks fired in the first four weeks, global stockpile is around 3000-4000. Japan recently was told that its order of tomahawks will be delayed for 2 years.
https://www.reuters.com/business/ae...arming-some-pentagon-wapo-reports-2026-03-27/

Industrial Capacity

US is war economy and it hasn't switched to this aspect yet.

It has the world’s largest defense industrial base. Companies like Raytheon Technologies continue to scale production and build stockpiles at fast pace.

In long term conflicts, production capability and economic strength / stability matters more than initial stockpile numbers and financial losses of few billion dollars. And, US is unmatched here.
You do realize if we have to switch to a war economy because of Iran its a disaster. This war is already very unpopular, raising taxes and shifting production from civilian to military sectors wouldn't make Americans happy.

And our output in industry is a problem. For example, we produce 150 SM6 patriot missiles a year, 50 tomahawks a year...etc. Its why the DoD asked for plans to quadruple production. You can see this strain when Japan which was supposed to get 400 Tomahawks last month was told its order will be delayed by two years.
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_an...ves_to_multiply_missile_production-17408.html

Gulf States
The restrained response of Gulf countries does not indicate weakness. This is once again a misconception.

These states rely heavily on US security guarantees which means it's US who hasn't advised Gulf so far to go on offense. It's not needed as of now.

Gulf countries also don't want to go on offense in a war where they can been seen as an ally to Israel and against an Arab nation - it would be religious - political disaster.

Then, they are fuel economies. They want to ensure continuous supplies of fuels. Going on offense also risks these assets being targeted more frequently and deliberately.

People really should stop seeing strategic restraints as weakness.
The Gulf "going on offense" means the bases used by the USA will be clogged up by lesser trained and less capable pilots, or in some cases mercenary pilots who aren't even from those countries. At most, the USA might use their aircraft with its own pilots.

Iran is not an Arab nation, and its one point Gulf states use for propaganda against Iran. And they have no trouble fighting with the USA against Arab nations, as seen in Iraq.
The fuel economies you speak of get their fuel bombed and do nothing. This restraint is due to the nature of Arab armies: Made to suppress internal opposition not external ones.

Besides, these countries are very fragile. The moment their desalination and electricity is out they become unlivable deserts. Again, you don't know these countries well and overestimate their capabilities.
US is not paper tiger. Don't confuse it's strategic restraints and intent to not escalate war beyond what US seeks as lack of capacities or Iran is pushing US back. There's a reason why US alone is a deterrent for Russia and China even now.
If the USA was a paper tiger then Russia and China are toiler paper tigers lol.
The USA has relied on deterrence power to prevent conflict, and draining our deterrence to fight against Iran in a war with ambiguous goals while exposing our flank is not a correct military move.
This conflict already expanded beyond what the American administration expected and its why we're in this escalation spiral. The president and his pentagon chief are threatening bombing vital civilian infrastructure like energy plants and bridges as the world economy faces a block in a vital chokepoint with no clear end in sight. Iran in return bombs vital energy infrastructure in the Gulf states.
 
Ithink its time other countries man up and cut out deal with Iran without US and Israel.

Its clear as days goes by Donald has lost the war even though he is killing innocent civilians and commiting war crimes by destroying bridges , power plant up next . He has proven he is Putin’s wannabe dictator . The mullahs dont really care if the civilians die they want the civilian infrastructure to be destroyed and he fell into that very trap .
 

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https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/1seqe6h/_/oertpuy
Religious cults are so fucking disgusting.

The thing I hate most is the way they hide behind racism, when they're always the worst bigots.

It's like no, we don't hate you because of your race. It's because your cult rapes and kills kids.

I've seen christians, muslims, jews, hindus, atheists, agnostics all stupid ass cults justify doing this shit.

The problem is twisted desire and a lack of discipline, and since all of these religious and political cults seem to have the same problem with it, we should just take the mask off.

The problem was gaslighting children into believing in stupid religious bullshit in the first place.

Arguing which cult is correct is the stupidest shit, when they're all based upon lying to children and then punishing them when they don't suck up to the liars, or suck them off.

The reason belief base religion is evil, is because it's just gaslighting. You're not selling children truth, you're selling them delusion and then punishing them when they don't agree with you.

Gaslighting is mental illness. This is not my opinion. We intentionally brainwash children to be mentally ill, through religion, teaching them to worship disgusting genocidal authority, so they are trained to suck up and serve the scummiest bigots imaginable waging their forever wars. And once again, I believe that a lot of religious myths are based on truth. But the cults themselves are run by lying monsters, and should be treated as such.

I wish every child was free from religion.
 

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I'm gonna start calling Trump It-ler. Two evil clowns combined.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/comments/1se6z0o
The funniest thing is that kanye was actually a better presidential candidate than biden or trump. Way less genocide and fascism, than the two guys who've profited wildly off of blowing up starving brown children.

It says a lot about the media that a mentally ill black man having severe mental health issues is treated with infinitely more hatred than an entire nation of frauds, profiting off of raping and murdering the poorest children on the planet.

Can you imagine if kanye did what israel does to caged semitic children?

Thank God Usopp Kanye isn't zionist.

These sweet lipped summer children would be growing second third fourth mouths to explain their bullshit if Ye joined israel and started supporting murdering Palestinian kids.

Then he'd be "one of the good ones" to the media.
 

CoC: Color of Clowns

Get French With It, Cut the Cheese
Trump is desperate i doubt he would nuke . I doubts Mullahs will cower in they are equally stubborn.

only solution is accept the inevitable Donald you lost .
As long as Israel has the rape tapes, Agolf It-ler is their puppet. Blackmail and bullying work, that's why governments like them.

God knows what dirt the zionists have on the rest of our crackhead government.

This war will continue as long as israel is blackmailing the us government into complicity.

There is a crazy option though.

If trump tried to undercut their leverage by just admitting he did it. Apologize and say that he was brainwashed by the evil satanic jews into doing horrible things and is now trying to fight back against them.

Go full nazi and just throw israel under the bus. I could see Trump trying to reintroduce slavery, or justify that his sex crimes weren't bad because the children involved weren't actually american citizens. Own the Libs is a slogan for a reason.

Obviously this wouldn't work globally.

But there's a real interesting divide with maga between the ones that are zionists and the ones that just really, really hate Jews and love what germany was doing in the twenties thirties and forties.

Like fox news has been conditioning republicans to support child rapists for a long time now. America was founded by coltus who made it legal to trade black children as sex slaves in public, and there are a ton of americans that want to go back to that.

How many maga would actually defect if trump admitted he raped kids? If trump went full nazi and tried to blame israel for everything, and admitted the epstein stuff was real, would his followers actually turn on him?

I've wondered that.
 

CoC: Color of Clowns

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If Preteen Tarantino saw this, he'd be very offended.

Learning a lot about which Christians would have walked with Jesus and which ones would have had nice Roman villas full of slaves.

Saw someone say Israel could call it operation Anne Frank.
 
People who have relatives that will have their lives threatenned by the arrival of power of Trump to power. [...] It's COMING. And America may already be lost.

I'm telling you to be scared and stop looking at politics as a friendly debate.
Yes fear mongering. Let's tell people to be scared. Let's make them feel powerless and hopeless. How progressive and empowering.
I'd rather stay strong and learn how to stave off the coming storm.
according to his logic you're worse than trash if you defend Musk or Trump
I've seen these videos of people getting crazy because of Trump being reelected (mostly for their social medias tbf, they're crazy but they still gotta get them likes) and I think they look stupid as fuck but I still wouldn’t get their children involved into my arguments with them.
I just want to put it out there. Not once, by purpose, accident, by vote or any other means, have I ever put my daughter in danger (or my son). :few:
For the people having unironic mental breakdowns over this, it's because of MSNBC, CNN and those fucking clowns on The View fear mongering people and telling them all these exaggerations about what another 4 years with Trump will look like. This is why the mainstream media and Celebrities genuinely need to fuck off.
You want to flush away the people who disagree with you politically off the forum and indoctrinate your specific agenda onto the whole of everyone here.
I KNOW elections will continue in the US like they always have.
I don't think you even believe what you say.
Trump hasn't even been the elect for a week and female liberals are threatening to be the last of their bloodline.:risitavirus:
Bye-Bye censorship
But ...but he's Hitler

He's not supposed to promote free speech and curtail censorship, Child exploitation and Terrorism and coalition between government, media, bureaucrats to supress free speech

:pepemy:


If he continues like this then I am scared for my life and I will leave America because how dare he has tried promoting free speech when he's suppose to act as Hitler as I assumed

:pepeclown:
There is no hate speech in his posts.

You are just ultra sensitive and resistant to common sense :goyea:



 
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