Controversial General Political Discussion

[Apollo]

Well its clear Israel aint happy with the deal. Bibi is furious he was cut out. Saudi needs to be mediator, Salman needs to man up he is the one who could stop all of this.

SA is too busy being bombed, Iran seems to have bombed the pipeline going from East to West of Saudi arabia. They weren't considered a neutral party anyway and I doubt they will become one.

There’s no way Israel would agree to stopping the war in Lebanon

I’ll wait until more details come out about this ceasefire because some of it doesn’t make sense. For example, there’s no way U.S would agree to let Iran continue the uranium enrichment

Regardless of whether Iran's 10 points or USA's 15 points were the basis of the ceasefire, the Pakistani PM said that Lebanon was part of the ceasefire. In fact, yesterday Lebanese officials were the first to break news of a possible ceasefire. Israel was one of the last told and wasn't happy with it.

Israel has vetoed the ceasefire, and now the White House is saying Lebanon wasn't part of the ceasefire either.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...akistan-have-said-about-ceasefire-2026-04-08/

It's normal tbh.

After ceasefire announcement, few incidents do happen from either sides in next 48 hours window and both sides blame each other for breaching ceasefire. It has more to do with command instructions being reach out than actual breaking of agreement.

And, two weeks window is more to have US and Iran meet at neutral pace to find a way out.

Will it work? It all depends on the will from both sides.

It is always better to have parties meet on the table and discuss than sending proposals and simply expecting other party to accept those proposals.

No this is not the usual cheeky last hit. This was the largest bombing of Lebanon since 1982, hundreds are dead and Iran re-closed Hormuz and threatened not to attend the Friday talks if there is no ceasefire in Lebanon. Israel also said its a new operation called "Eternal Darkness", separate from the "Roaring Lion" against Iran&allies.

In short, Bibi shits, Trump wipes.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

The context is me trying to warn people in order for them to politicize. If you are not surprised then you shouldn't laugh at people panicking, simple as that. Unless you think people are not really losing their rights and lives, in which case, you still don't see what is happening.

Critics are always contextual.

They were not panicking is what I was saying. Mainly a bunch of people trying to get some points on their social medias.
None of the people I saw or was talking about lost rights or their lives.

 

[Reborn]

SA is too busy being bombed, Iran seems to have bombed the pipeline going from East to West of Saudi arabia. They weren't considered a neutral party anyway and I doubt they will become one.


Regardless of whether Iran's 10 points or USA's 15 points were the basis of the ceasefire, the Pakistani PM said that Lebanon was part of the ceasefire. In fact, yesterday Lebanese officials were the first to break news of a possible ceasefire. Israel was one of the last told and wasn't happy with it.

Israel has vetoed the ceasefire, and now the White House is saying Lebanon wasn't part of the ceasefire either.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...akistan-have-said-about-ceasefire-2026-04-08/


No this is not the usual cheeky last hit. This was the largest bombing of Lebanon since 1982, hundreds are dead and Iran re-closed Hormuz and threatened not to attend the Friday talks if there is no ceasefire in Lebanon. Israel also said its a new operation called "Eternal Darkness", separate from the "Roaring Lion" against Iran&allies.

In short, Bibi shits, Trump wipes.

Where have you read Iran has closed Hormuz again?

All the news I have seen is saying Hormuz is open now

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Critics are always contextual.

Then also show the conversation prior to my post.

 

[Apollo]

Where have you read Iran has closed Hormuz again?

All the news I have seen is saying Hormuz is open now

Fars news agency. Here is a source in English:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...sraeli-strikes-in-lebanon-iranian-media-says/

It was open before Israel decided to continue the war in Lebanon.

 

[Apollo]

Anyway, interesting little scope: Seems like the attack on Iran's oil infrastructure in Lavan island was carried by the UAE, and they hoped for Iran to think it was Israel. US and Israel both denied attacking it.

So its not just Israel who doesn't want this ceasefire.

 

[Reborn]

Fars news agency. Here is a source in English:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...sraeli-strikes-in-lebanon-iranian-media-says/

It was open before Israel decided to continue the war in Lebanon.

My news tab which was updated an hour ago says Iran has opened the Hormuz but traffic is still less.

We will see tomorrow

 

[Roo]

They were actually very similar. It ain't all just about ideology and leaning(Conservative Neoliberal vs Far Right Populist), but about what they did and pushed for. Trump was always a more extreme version of Reagan even during his 1st term, and went completely into pure insanity during this term, increasing the difference.

They weren’t, again Reagan had actual policies and agendas he followed through. Trump has nothing and he just follows the whims of his tarot card reader

 

[Logiko]

They were not panicking is what I was saying. Mainly a bunch of people trying to get some points on their social medias.
None of the people I saw or was talking about lost rights or their lives.

Maybe not the one you saw, but most people who panicked had reason to. The point is: When you mitigate a critic, you don't only aim at actors saying it, you aim at everyone. And its are these people who are targeted. The point is also this: The denial of the critics has been a trend for 10 years, now it's time to stop mitigating.

It's time to listen, and politicize to the left. Radically.

 

[Roo]

SA is too busy being bombed, Iran seems to have bombed the pipeline going from East to West of Saudi arabia. They weren't considered a neutral party anyway and I doubt they will become one.


Regardless of whether Iran's 10 points or USA's 15 points were the basis of the ceasefire, the Pakistani PM said that Lebanon was part of the ceasefire. In fact, yesterday Lebanese officials were the first to break news of a possible ceasefire. Israel was one of the last told and wasn't happy with it.

Israel has vetoed the ceasefire, and now the White House is saying Lebanon wasn't part of the ceasefire either.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...akistan-have-said-about-ceasefire-2026-04-08/


No this is not the usual cheeky last hit. This was the largest bombing of Lebanon since 1982, hundreds are dead and Iran re-closed Hormuz and threatened not to attend the Friday talks if there is no ceasefire in Lebanon. Israel also said its a new operation called "Eternal Darkness", separate from the "Roaring Lion" against Iran&allies.

In short, Bibi shits, Trump wipes.

The 10 point part is crucial because it shows there’s a gap in communication, the Lebanon stuff leads more credence to that

so I’ll just wait for the official agreement to be revealed, or else it seems like Pakistan was telling each party a different thing

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Maybe not the one you saw, but most people who panicked had reason to. The point is: When you mitigate a critic, you don't only aim at actors saying it, you aim at everyone. And its are these people who are targeted. The point is also this: The denial of the critics has been a trend for 10 years, now it's time to stop mitigating.

It's time to listen, and politicize to the left. Radically.

Dude I don't know what denial you are talking about.
Also I'm always listening.
I don't believe in the left or the right.

 

[Logiko]

Also I'm always listening.
I don't believe in the left or the right.

Then you are not listening enough.

 

[Midnight Delight]

The 10 point part is crucial because it shows there’s a gap in communication, the Lebanon stuff leads more credence to that

so I’ll just wait for the official agreement to be revealed, or else it seems like Pakistan was telling each party a different thing

Which is the biggest issue here

In fact do Pakistan and Israel even had diplomatic relationships

 

[Apollo]

My news tab which was updated an hour ago says Iran has opened the Hormuz but traffic is still less.

We will see tomorrow

marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:55.8/centery:26.2/zoom:8
Its still empty.

The 10 point part is crucial because it shows there’s a gap in communication, the Lebanon stuff leads more credence to that

so I’ll just wait for the official agreement to be revealed, or else it seems like Pakistan was telling each party a different thing

Its not that complicated, there were revisions that we don't know yet to each one's lists. Pakistan's announcement explicitly mentioned Lebanon.

I'll throw a prediction here: Bibi just called Trump, angry about being informed late of the ceasefire and says he doesn't consider Lebanon part of it. Trump gives the green light. Other parties later know of this through the bombing rather than diplomatic channels.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Then you are not listening enough.

Neither are you.

 

[Logiko]

Neither are you.

I wouldn't be so sure

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I wouldn't be so sure

Alright then. Keep listening.

 

[Midnight Delight]

It's interesting how Pakistan out of all countries took a role that Turkey saw itself as

In spite of Pakistan being a failed state while Turkey is relatively stable with "muh GDP growth"

 

[Monkey D Theories]

It's interesting how Pakistan out of all countries took a role that Turkey saw itself as

In spite of Pakistan being a failed state while Turkey is relatively stable with "muh GDP growth"

It’s probably because the Pakistani PM is an American puppet. This dude was absolutely glazing Trump, claiming this guy brought peace to the Middle East, South Asia, and was deserving of the Nobel peace prize.

That was before the Iran war, but still

 

[AL sama]

Dude I don't know what denial you are talking about.
Also I'm always listening.
I don't believe in the left or the right.

ignore him