THE FINAL: SPAIN OR ARGENTINA WHO IS WINNING!?


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You clearly did not, because nothing in my post implied that refs wouldn't rig it against France, just that it wouldn't be enough. Which is why I had to explain myself in simpler terms so you would hopefully be able to understand it, and led me to conclude that English is not your primary language or that you are at very least not familiar enough with it.



Once again, I'll reiterate my original post to you. You must be beyond retarded to watch an Argentina game and believe everything is normal/fair. When you have a team that gets 8 penalties in 12 matches, gets away with fouls, yellow cards, red cards, has VAR always in their favour, never against them, and has a controversial game every single game, to think that everything is according to the rules and fair, you must either be delusional or just plain stupid, for lack of a better word.




I did not say France is unstoppable. This is what leads me to believe you do not adequately understand English. I merely stated that I think France is that much better than Argentina. Nothing in my statement implied France being unstoppable.


What controversial moments has France had at this World Cup?
You did not say they were unstoppable, but implying that even with rigging Argentine doesn’t stand a chance is basically saying the same thing. The fact that you’re being pedantic if anything shows you’re ESL because everybody else in this thread understands my point and in real conversation nobody would be pedantic

France is beatable, Argentina is a good team. Even without any rigging they could get lucky and win. So why not put money on Infantinos team then? Oh right because you don’t really believe in that stupid conspiracy to begin with
 

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Tbh, I won't even dream of considering any team easy and walk over.

Other countries are there to play and give their best.

No team in knockouts are easy. Swiss would be hard to beat.

Also, it's because I am still suffering from PTSD Verde and Egypt gave me.
 

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You did not say they were unstoppable
Correct. We're making progress. Kudos.



but implying that even with rigging Argentine doesn’t stand a chance is basically saying the same thing.
Incorrect. I would have said that France is unstoppable had I wanted to say or imply that.



The fact that you’re being pedantic if anything shows you’re ESL because everybody else in this thread understands my point and in real conversation nobody would be pedantic
It's not my fault that you guys create scenarios in your head and then argue against those scenarios. Straw-manning my position and words won't work. Which is why I had to dumb it down so no misrepresentation or misunderstanding may occur.



France is beatable, Argentina is a good team. Even without any rigging they could get lucky and win
All of that is true and anything can happen. But imaginary scenarios are not likely. Which is why, based on everything, I would bet on France at the moment. Though I would have to see how hard Argentina will be pushed by the refs tonight and in the semis against England to conclude what would be the most likely scenario.



Oh right because you don’t really believe in that stupid conspiracy to begin with
Once again I'll refer you to this part of my post

When you have a team that gets 8 penalties in 12 matches, gets away with fouls, yellow cards, red cards, has VAR always in their favour, never against them, and has a controversial game every single game, to think that everything is according to the rules and fair, you must either be delusional or just plain stupid, for lack of a better word.
 

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Argentina vs Egypt was wild
Argentina was on verge of going out. They tasted it. They felt it in their bones. You could see in their celebrations (they lifted Messi up) and tears post match how difficult it was for them to comeback and how until 78 mins they were crashing out of WC.

And, when the same team faces rig criticism because some don't understand rules despite ref has given all decisions correct then yeah... I can totally understand why people are annoyed
 
it bothers me because it shows that they don't really believe it and they are just peddling mindless conspiracies.

The easiest way to prove someone really believes what they say is to put something at stake, in this case money.

As someone who's been watching sports for 15+ years everybody bitches about favoritism, in every single sport. It's mostly nonsense
I haven't seen a single thing proven and specifically speaking on Argentina it's obvious how hurt the Egyptians were in general. But you're saying to put up money and well... I don't even know if irony is the word. Gambling and its anonymity make up like 85% of the reason why these accusations exist. I don't think that'd change even if no one popped Andrés Escobar
 
I haven't seen a single thing proven and specifically speaking on Argentina it's obvious how hurt the Egyptians were in general. But you're saying to put up money and well... I don't even know if irony is the word. Gambling and its anonymity make up like 85% of the reason why these accusations exist. I don't think that'd change even if no one popped Andrés Escobar
I agree, but it’s mostly degenerate gamblers bitching that their underdog picks don’t win

it’s almost as if favorites are favorites for a reason.

I already explained to reborn why this model people believe in doesn’t track to an actual business strategy.
 
Ppl calling agame that they don't like how it goes there way a rigged or robbed way too often.

I want Norway to win if they deserved it.
Sorloth miss chance/assist to Haaland.
Haaland unnecessary aggresive push that cost a disallowed goal
Etc..
Fate not on their way this time.
I don't think there's any reason to complaint lol. England wins, Norway out. That's it.
 

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I agree, but it’s mostly degenerate gamblers bitching that their underdog picks don’t win

it’s almost as if favorites are favorites for a reason.

I already explained to reborn why this model people believe in doesn’t track to an actual business strategy.
It's hard to pull.

Anyone who has played football even at decent level knows how mistakes can happen easily.

Refs are humans and when games flow so fast, possibility of overlooking by refs or mistakes increases.

When refs do commit a blatant cheating, whole world reacts to it like we saw in 2002.

People aren't fools.


VAR was introduced to reduce such errors and inconsistencies but we all know how it's in grip of controversies and we have seen it across leagues.

At the end of the day, it's judgement error on the part of refs and it happens like in case of Bellingham. It happens in every sport.

But some fans simply don't understand this nor rules.

They don't understand that for FiFa to rig match like what we saw in Argentina and Egypt, even involvement of Egyptians players are necessary to pull it off.

So, unless these fans think that opposition teams are also involved in rigging the matches for Argentina, their claims are just hate and insecurity filled conspiracies stemming from Messi achieving way more than their favs.
 
I agree, but it’s mostly degenerate gamblers bitching that their underdog picks don’t win

it’s almost as if favorites are favorites for a reason.

I already explained to reborn why this model people believe in doesn’t track to an actual business strategy.
And the end it's always the favorite, UCL is already rare and nearly impossible for underdogs to win it. Forget World Cup.

At the end it's Spain, France, England and probably Argentina, the top 4 strongest teams of the world currently.
 

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And the end it's always the favorite, UCL is already rare and nearly impossible for underdogs to win it. Forget World Cup.

At the end it's Spain, France, England and probably Argentina, the top 4 strongest teams of the world currently.
I think semis will decide who will win - you, me or harashima or rest can catch up
 
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