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He’ll always be weaker than Zoro, but that’s irrelevant. True fans aren’t insecure about it and just enjoy the fact he’s more well-rounded and a better character. We don’t need to fight like kids in kindergarten to prove he’s not weaker, leave that to desperate people. 
He’ll always be weaker than Zoro, but that’s irrelevant. True fans aren’t insecure about it and just enjoy the fact he’s more well-rounded and a better character. We don’t need to fight like kids in kindergarten to prove he’s not weaker, leave that to desperate people.
Because Oda isn't an idiot, he understands perfectly well what people are going to think when they see Zoro hunt equal game to Sanji or struggle with comparable difficulty against an opponent who's 0.9% stronger. Or even the sly injection of uncertainty in Hajrudin's assessment of Rayleigh "maybe" being stronger than Gaban. His avoidance of answering a question pertaining to who's superior, falling back on a dick joke. Oda himself, throughout almost 30 years of writing this series, has never tried to make it "obvious" or "clear." Rather, the exact opposite.
Their difference in strength is as fluid as their difference in height. It shifts depending on the conditions, but even at its baseline, it's nearly imperceptible. So what are we actually conceding to here?
Exactly, I’m not disputing that. Always what the difference was, always what it will be. And it’s honestly a good thing for Zoro, because Sanji is already smarter, more versatile and arguably a more talented fighter. So Zoro not being at least a tad stronger would be humiliating for the character.
Btw, when did I say the difference was "clear" or "obvious"?
Btw, when did I say the difference was "clear" or "obvious"?
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Yes, I’m saying he’ll always be weaker than Zoro. That means I think it’ll never change, he will always be weaker. It has nothing to do with how big the gap between them is, or with whether that gap is obvious. I was replying to someone who said it’s gonna change at the end of Elbaf, which I disagree with.
Facts support that narrative more heavily, rather than them being dead equal. Zoro fighting the number 2 in major arcs, the doriki thing in Enies Lobby, Zoro having the bigger bounty, Zoro getting CoC first, etc.
Even the Rayleigh and Gaban argument doesn’t really hold water to me, because an objective observer estimated Rayleigh was stronger. It might have been left open to interpretation on paper, but this hints at Rayleigh being probably stronger.
And at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter whether Sanji is weaker or not. We shouldn’t be insecure about what the difference in strength between them is because Sanji is the superior character anyway. Don’t roll in the mud with Zoro fans over something so trivial.
Facts support that narrative more heavily, rather than them being dead equal. Zoro fighting the number 2 in major arcs, the doriki thing in Enies Lobby, Zoro having the bigger bounty, Zoro getting CoC first, etc.
Even the Rayleigh and Gaban argument doesn’t really hold water to me, because an objective observer estimated Rayleigh was stronger. It might have been left open to interpretation on paper, but this hints at Rayleigh being probably stronger.
And at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter whether Sanji is weaker or not. We shouldn’t be insecure about what the difference in strength between them is because Sanji is the superior character anyway. Don’t roll in the mud with Zoro fans over something so trivial.
I’ve always had Akainu vs Aokiji in mind.
Ok, I guess? If you have a clear opinion on something, it means it’s obvious for you on a personal level. Otherwise, you’re on the fence and you don’t have a definitive opinion. But what does that have to do with wether Oda himself has been trying to make the gap obvious? Because those were the words that were put in my mouth, along with the imaginary implication about that gap being big. I never said nor implied such things.
If you say Sanji will always be weaker then the difference is obvious for you...and it doesn't matter how big or small the gap might be, for you it's obvious he is weaker. 
Some of y'all are such CUCKS.
The narrative gave you Dorry and Brogy and somehow y'all missed it.
Sanji has fought and won more dominant over opponents on par, equal or stronger than Zoro's and y'all missed it.
Sanji outperformed Zoro on many occasions and in many contexts, and y'all missed it.
For whatever reasons you people always have to hallucinate some gap in Zoro's favour when that's not what's on the fucking page.
Y'all are fucking FRAUDS.
That's cap.
Sanji is equal to Zoro even without it.
Zoro can barely be counted as a user, given his lack of control. He and Sanji will both end Elbaph with and control of advanced Conqueror's Haki.
The narrative gave you Dorry and Brogy and somehow y'all missed it.
Sanji has fought and won more dominant over opponents on par, equal or stronger than Zoro's and y'all missed it.
Sanji outperformed Zoro on many occasions and in many contexts, and y'all missed it.
For whatever reasons you people always have to hallucinate some gap in Zoro's favour when that's not what's on the fucking page.
Y'all are fucking FRAUDS.
That's cap.
Sanji is equal to Zoro even without it.
Zoro can barely be counted as a user, given his lack of control. He and Sanji will both end Elbaph with and control of advanced Conqueror's Haki.
What does Dorry & Broggy have to do with this?
Zoro & Sanji don’t have duels that almost always end in draws and are still unsettled, neither do they have equal bounties. There’s no denying that their rivalry is of a similar ilk but I fail to see how this proves Zoro = Sanji.
Who? The only opponents that I can think of that you can legit argue were stronger than Zoro’s were Kuroobi & Absalom?
Whilst it’s true that Sanji does occasionally fight the No.2s. Zoro does more often than not particularly in the main arcs. Mr 1, Kaku, King & same will most likely apply to the BB Pirates.
With regards to Sanji having more dominant performances over his opponents in comparison to Zoro that’s true in most cases but Zoro’s opponents are usually stronger than Sanji’s with an element of invincibility about them that make them much harder to beat.
You argue that Zoro usually struggles more against his opponents than Sanji does but can’t objectively judge them off that as their opponents are not a 1:1 copy. The more honest question would be does Sanji struggle just as much against Zoro’s opponents? If you’re being honest with yourself the obvious answer is yes and is some cases it’s hard to see Sanji winning. Now does Zoro struggle as much as Sanji against Sanji’s opponents? Prolly not imo but does he lose to any? Again prolly not.
Now it has to be said that Oda creates opponents geared towards both or rather opponents that will particularly be difficult each of them to beat to foster growth for each and Sanji’s opponents are usually more mental difficulty as opposed to physical so Zoro washes No.2 for example but Sanji struggle coz of Nami and in Zoro’s case Oda gives him and uncuttable opponent coz was unable to cut steel so obviously Sanji would’ve struggled to beat No.1 for that very reason and imo would’ve outright lost.
On the bolded bit I’m guessing you’re referring to S-Shark which is true but context is important.
Zoro did not utilize CoC against the Seraphim whereas Oda had Sanji flex against S-Shark with a brand new powerup. My point being Oda prioritized Sanji’s development & future PU setup in this interaction hence why he looks better.
In the same vein you could pull up different panels of Zoro outperforming Sanji or getting better portrayal than Sanji against the same opponent.
Anyways, the narrative is very clear with their PL placement be it the rank of the opponents they face, their bounties or even how their Roger Pirate equivalents rank. Zoro is No.2 and Sanji’s No.3 however the difference btw them is very small.
Zoro & Sanji don’t have duels that almost always end in draws and are still unsettled, neither do they have equal bounties. There’s no denying that their rivalry is of a similar ilk but I fail to see how this proves Zoro = Sanji.
Who? The only opponents that I can think of that you can legit argue were stronger than Zoro’s were Kuroobi & Absalom?
Whilst it’s true that Sanji does occasionally fight the No.2s. Zoro does more often than not particularly in the main arcs. Mr 1, Kaku, King & same will most likely apply to the BB Pirates.
With regards to Sanji having more dominant performances over his opponents in comparison to Zoro that’s true in most cases but Zoro’s opponents are usually stronger than Sanji’s with an element of invincibility about them that make them much harder to beat.
You argue that Zoro usually struggles more against his opponents than Sanji does but can’t objectively judge them off that as their opponents are not a 1:1 copy. The more honest question would be does Sanji struggle just as much against Zoro’s opponents? If you’re being honest with yourself the obvious answer is yes and is some cases it’s hard to see Sanji winning. Now does Zoro struggle as much as Sanji against Sanji’s opponents? Prolly not imo but does he lose to any? Again prolly not.
Now it has to be said that Oda creates opponents geared towards both or rather opponents that will particularly be difficult each of them to beat to foster growth for each and Sanji’s opponents are usually more mental difficulty as opposed to physical so Zoro washes No.2 for example but Sanji struggle coz of Nami and in Zoro’s case Oda gives him and uncuttable opponent coz was unable to cut steel so obviously Sanji would’ve struggled to beat No.1 for that very reason and imo would’ve outright lost.
Sanji outperformed Zoro on many occasions and in many contexts, and y'all missed it.
For whatever reasons you people always have to hallucinate some gap in Zoro's favour when that's not what's on the fucking page.
Y'all are fucking FRAUDS.
For whatever reasons you people always have to hallucinate some gap in Zoro's favour when that's not what's on the fucking page.
Y'all are fucking FRAUDS.
Zoro did not utilize CoC against the Seraphim whereas Oda had Sanji flex against S-Shark with a brand new powerup. My point being Oda prioritized Sanji’s development & future PU setup in this interaction hence why he looks better.
In the same vein you could pull up different panels of Zoro outperforming Sanji or getting better portrayal than Sanji against the same opponent.
Anyways, the narrative is very clear with their PL placement be it the rank of the opponents they face, their bounties or even how their Roger Pirate equivalents rank. Zoro is No.2 and Sanji’s No.3 however the difference btw them is very small.