Speculations Zoro and Sanji's route to beat Omen Sommers and Killingham

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#1
Basically i bet it will go like this..


Lets start with Zoro:

I believe the whole point with Zoro right now is that he is wasting his Haki, he's utilizing it in such a wasteful and poor way that it is losing 90% of its potential.

I believe this fight will go similar to Zoro vs Daz Bonez:
Zoro will suffer a lot trying to overcome Gram's power and Sommers immortality, he is gonna get crazy injuries, specially because we aint considering the Thorn Thorn fruit potential combined with everything he has got from Imu. That will last until something turns on a switch in his mind, then he kills Sommers.

"But that doesn't make sense, how did he beat King if his Conqueror's is being so poorly utilized?"

Well you just answered your own question, Zoro's potential is so big that he managed to beat King in the state he was in during Onigashima.
Zoro will be so much stronger once he stops oozing his CoC (without even knowing it) that an even weaker move than Dragon Damnation will be enough to overpower SSJ2 Sommers and eventually defeat him.

If he is gonna be the strongest swordsman one day, having this attack overpowered by another swordsman definitely can't keep happening

Gaban was very on point here, i believe Zoro will remember that line
"...only useful when you conciously control it..."



This guy was using it having 0 knowledge about it and still made a 1.4Bi Lunarian be afraid to take hits. I believe this is gonna be Zoro's big move this arc.


As for Sanji, it's the complete opposite..


While Zoro has been overutilizing his CoC, Sanji has been massively supressing it his whole life, considerably affecting his potential till now, arguably throughout the whole story.

In Sanji's case it will be a bit more impressive, because while Luffy took so long to coat his attacks with CoC and Zoro used the basic version and the advanced one in a span of a few chapters, Sanji will use it the advanced version right away and to kill a busted immortal being. It's certainly intentional from Oda that each one of the monster trio have different standards for their CoC coating first use imo

One wing must chill and be more precise, while the other needs to unleash more of himself. Wings need to be in perfect balance to make something fly, i think thats a core theme this arc, Gaban's role as a mentor to M3 is telling..

I would say they are in a similar situation here: Gaban called out Luffy about "how you utilized your Conqueror's Haki, those guys definitely aren't immortal". That obviously applies to Zoro and Sanji, right? Loki, a recently introduced character already killed a HK, fucking Harald of all people, while Luffy is being told lessons about CoC by Gaban and having a much worse perfomance than Loki against Imu. Oda is showing the audience how much the crew has to grow now!

So yeah, thats it. What do u guys think?
:quest:

(Btw im sure Sommers and Killingham gonna die here. There are still more holy knights and 19 fucking weapons to be used)

Imu just shat on Zoro and Sanji's faces. Suddenly feeling that Sommers and Killingham died will make blud question:
"W-Who did this shit?! Who else could kill them?! I thought i beat everyone who could throw some punches in Elbaph!
:shocked:"

As a parallel to Harald's death by Loki and the confirmation that they have reached another level and that Luffy isn't alone.
 
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#3
I think this is pretty likely but would it not be kinda unfair for Zoro to only get better control of his ACoC while Sanji develops it from sratch ? It would be giving Sanji a way bigger power up than Zoro
I could say the same about Luffy tho

Luffy fans were complaining that Zoro used CoC and CoC coating in the same arcs so quickly, why can't Sanji go further than that? Things don't need to run all the same for them
 
#4
I could say the same about Luffy tho

Luffy fans were complaining that Zoro used CoC and CoC coating in the same arcs so quickly, why can't Sanji go further than that? Things don't need to run all the same for them
Yeah Zoro's progression to ACoC was faster than Luffy's but he was using it unconciously and Luffy got 2 other major power ups in the same arc, I don't mind Sanji mastering ACoC faster than Zoro did comparatively since we're in the final saga but it would be kinda unfair for him to from 0 usage of ACoC to full control while Zoro goes from unconcious control to full control, it would be like giving Zoro a whole Germa exoskeleton while only slightly improving Sanji's
 
#5
Yeah Zoro's progression to ACoC was faster than Luffy's but he was using it unconciously and Luffy got 2 other major power ups in the same arc, I don't mind Sanji mastering ACoC faster than Zoro did comparatively since we're in the final saga but it would be kinda unfair for him to from 0 usage of ACoC to full control while Zoro goes from unconcious control to full control, it would be like giving Zoro a whole Germa exoskeleton while only slightly improving Sanji's
Strawhats are not written equally im afraid :endthis:
 
#10
Its good that Zoro got the challenge because previously it was looking bad for Sanji who got trashed by Killingham post PU and Luffy got stabbed by Imu and Zoro was clashing/lunging towards Sommers. So it seemed that Sanji and Luffy were the ones needing a PU since their opponents looked far stronger than them that Luffy and Sanji needed a PU to beat them. But now Zoro has got a real challenge, someone who could block and push Zoro back even though Zoro used his strongest shown attack so far. It is an arc where every SH is supposed to get a PU I think because we had Franky get that VP boost already.
And when all SHs get a PU they get a significant PU. The last two times where almost everyone got a PU was in Wano and before that RTS (return to Sabaody/FI to showcase training) and EL before that.
Compare the same arc PUs given to M3
Luffy : G2/3 (EL), Haki + Overall (TS), ACoA, ACoC/G5 (Wano)
Zoro: Ashura, Haki + Overall, ACoC/KoH
Sanji: DJ, Hak + Overall, Exo/IJ

So even here the PUs will be go in similar fashion. You cant expect Luffy and Sanji to get big PUs and Zoro to not get a similarly significant PU. Its clear that Luffy needs a big PU to not be dealt like he was by Imu. It is also clear that Sanji needs to unlock ACoC which is very big PU. For Zoro getting better haki control just doesnt cut it like going from 1011 Luffy to 1026 Luffy type shit aint gonna work.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#13
Everything you said about Zoro is wrong, except that he could sustain serious injuries because it hasnt really happened at all in post-TS, if we ignore Hakai which is sourced from single hit but my point is that he didnt sustain continuous injuries, something similar to Kakus fight when he was getting shredded left and right.
Kumas pain bubble was the equivalent of Hakai but we need something like Kakus fight now.

You completely misunderstood Gabans words, he was actually praising Zoro, saying that he is with ease with what Zoro was doing - leaking it all the time, Zoro was doing it effortlessly, not even huffing from leaking haki 24/7. When you tell someone that they are quite at ease with something, thats a compliment...

All of Sommers' abilities are a problem, if he cannot be offed just by destroying his heart.
Regen is a problem, Gram seems to have a problematic ability and Omen is yet to be revealed...

Zoro already uses aCoC perfectly and one of his strongest moves just was neg diffed. It means neither his moves nor his haki coating will solve this problem. I think Zoro might learn Joyboy's haki burst and he will turn off all abilities given to Sommers and in that moment he will one-shot him. Luffy will likely learn the same here.





I don't think Sanji will learn that, even tho he faces similar problems, the only difference is spear's ability compared to Gram's ability...

He will learn aCoC but instead of overcoming all the abilities stacked into Kham, he might kick the spear out of his hands and destroy his organ equivalent to Sommers' metal heart.
 
#14
Zoro - He’ll understand that he’s utilizing CoC, as such he’ll further train his KoH style to instead better coat his blades rather than just let it drain, in doing so he’ll increase the hardness and sharpness of his swords along with the natural increase in cutting power that comes from King of Hell. Ending with him cutting through Gram and Sommers in a single swing.

Sanji - He’ll coat his entire body in CoC, and that along with his Exoskeleton will make his body much harder which will increase his body’s natural strength and make his kicks even harder. Ending with Longinus breaking on his skin and Sanji doing some barrage of kicks that’ll take out Killingham
 
#15
Zoro - He’ll understand that he’s utilizing CoC, as such he’ll further train his KoH style to instead better coat his blades rather than just let it drain, in doing so he’ll increase the hardness and sharpness of his swords along with the natural increase in cutting power that comes from King of Hell. Ending with him cutting through Gram and Sommers in a single swing.

Sanji - He’ll coat his entire body in CoC, and that along with his Exoskeleton will make his body much harder which will increase his body’s natural strength and make his kicks even harder. Ending with Longinus breaking on his skin and Sanji doing some barrage of kicks that’ll take out Killingham
Yeah i think the same

Zoro awakened CoC coating through Enma but there is still stuff to fix about with the blade

Sanji is believe is easier to guess. Im hoping for that Zeff flashback tho
 
#16
Everything you said about Zoro is wrong, except that he could sustain serious injuries because it hasnt really happened at all in post-TS, if we ignore Hakai which is sourced from single hit but my point is that he didnt sustain continuous injuries, something similar to Kakus fight when he was getting shredded left and right.
Kumas pain bubble was the equivalent of Hakai but we need something like Kakus fight now.

You completely misunderstood Gabans words, he was actually praising Zoro, saying that he is with ease with what Zoro was doing - leaking it all the time, Zoro was doing it effortlessly, not even huffing from leaking haki 24/7. When you tell someone that they are quite at ease with something, thats a compliment...

All of Sommers' abilities are a problem, if he cannot be offed just by destroying his heart.
Regen is a problem, Gram seems to have a problematic ability and Omen is yet to be revealed...

Zoro already uses aCoC perfectly and one of his strongest moves just was neg diffed. It means neither his moves nor his haki coating will solve this problem. I think Zoro might learn Joyboy's haki burst and he will turn off all abilities given to Sommers and in that moment he will one-shot him. Luffy will likely learn the same here.





I don't think Sanji will learn that, even tho he faces similar problems, the only difference is spear's ability compared to Gram's ability...

He will learn aCoC but instead of overcoming all the abilities stacked into Kham, he might kick the spear out of his hands and destroy his organ equivalent to Sommers' metal heart.
I think Zoro's issue here is certainly going to be related to Enma
But alright, lets see :DeepThink:
 
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