Speculations Kaido and BM aren't even between top 50

[Blahmigooo]

Around the same rank as rest of top tiers?....
What's the notion of thinking Kaido and Bigmom are bums among top tiers when they also possess all required strength and abilities that a top tier supposed to have and with an even more higher raw stats than most of the other top tiers?

I know right? just because your favorites doesn't fight them and aren't the ones to take them down.

I don't see any significant difference, a tier gap or special secret magical power that sets anything different between Kaido, BM and Rogers, Garp, WB, etc
All the same shit, 3/2 types of adv haki, advCoC, raw power, top class DF.....

Ranking would start from
Imu, Eos Luffy, BB, Joyboy, Jones etc to 19 kings to all other legendary ancient figures.
And then the Yonkos, Admirals, old gen can start fight for top 30-40 bracket.

 

[Erkan12]

Around the same rank as rest of top tiers?....
What's the notion of thinking Kaido and Bigmom are bums among top tiers when they also possess all required strength and abilities that a top tier supposed to have and with an even more higher raw stats than most of the other top tiers?

I know right? just because your favorites doesn't fight them and aren't the ones to take them down.

I don't see any significant difference, a tier gap or special secret magical power that sets anything different between Kaido, BM and Rogers, Garp, WB, etc
All the same shit, 3/2 types of adv haki, advCoC, raw power, top class DF.....

Ranking would start from
Imu, Eos Luffy, BB, Joyboy, Jones etc to 19 kings to all other legendary ancient figures.
And then the Yonkos, Admirals, old gen can start fight for top 30-40 bracket.

True, and they still have durability and endurance advantage that Shanks or Luffy doesn't have.

Of course he did.
He literally believes, that a hammer that evolves into a squirrel would beat Roger in a combative battle.
Oda would definitely draw that😂

Real Kaido fans won't sell out like you and Lanthins , imagine being butthurt so much that you change your forum name, that's how "MonsterKaido" was "coping".

 

[Halyup]

We can argue Big Mom but Kaido is still not dethroned from #1 spot.
The King of the World doesnt have a World's Strongest declaration under his name.
The only World's Strongest attached to Imu is the organization he leads, nothing else.

Kaido title is based on rumors

 

[Erkan12]

Kaido title is based on rumors

Every title is based on then. You think Oda directly tells the titles in the manga? Oda said Kaido > Akainu in a SBS, that should be enough.

 

[nik87]

Kaido title is based on rumors

In the present yes because it is in conflict with Mihawk. In the past it was real, before Mihawk reached his peak.

 

[Cruxroux]

Kaido title is based on rumors

Even rumors got some originality to it unless the character is Buggy.

Until Imu was introduced, in Wano he was widely celebrated as the strongest top tier. Whether you like it or not.

 

[Blax Blah]

It goes


Imu > Kaido > everyone else

 

[nik87]

It goes


Imu > Kaido > everyone else

Mihawk>Kaido>Imu

 

[Blax Blah]

Mihawk>Kaido>Imu

 

[Desolate Smaug]

Yeah, it says Imu used Omen to bring back those weapons & grant them to his Knights,
Nothing says those Weapons had Powers, They are simply Legendary Weapons fueled by Imu's Omen & probably Haki,

The weapons have powers. We know for a fact of the weapons drains life force, and another seems to have fire abilities. No reason to think the others won't have powers too. Plus they all seem like black blades.

This thread though is incoherent. The OP makes it sound like Imu brought back some ofthe actual 19 Founding kings.

 

[Kiri]

We can argue Big Mom but Kaido is still not dethroned from #1 spot.
The King of the World doesnt have a World's Strongest declaration under his name.
The only World's Strongest attached to Imu is the organization he leads, nothing else.

He don't really need a worlds strongest title though does he, that would even defeat the point of him not being known to 99.9% of the population. Sure Oda could still technically give him one as the narrator but the type of strength you need to hold Imu's title is pretty much self explanatory. Especially with Xebec getting enslaved in the attempt.

King of The World presumes Kingship over all things, and we were told in the story that to be Pirate King you have to be a King amongst Kings. Which also sounds like King of The World.

The difference more is absolute tyranny and subjugation vs absolute freedom. Being so strong that everyone must obey your dominion vs being so strong you are above anyone's constraints.

Then this ties to kingly ambitions, you can say Zoro's goal is to be the King of Swordsman, similar to how Hajrudin wants to be King of The Giants.

It seems obvious to me that King of The World is a greater ambition than King of Swordsman/Worlds Strongest Swordsman. But having said ambition doesn't guarantee the strength required to wield it unless it's been achieved.

Which is why Xebec simply having that ambition doesn't mean he'd be stronger than Mihawk, but lets be honest for Xebec to even go for that king of the world title he would have needed to undoubtedly have had the strength of a WSS as a prerequisite. Just like Luffy needs Zoro to be WSS as a pre-requisite to accomplish whatever they will EoS.

From a narrative perspective, the role someone is in is also going to dictate their strength. We can hypothetically say if Mihawk had the ambition to be King of The World like Xebec, that he would actually be much stronger. But Mihawk has no interest in even a political title like Yonko let alone that.

It's like how Oda said if Akainu was the MC he'd wrap up the story in a year. But that doesn't mean Akainu is that strong, it means that if he was in that role he'd necessarily have to be that strong, to put an end to piracy or whatever. Just like if Mihawk had the same ambition/role as Imu he'd have to be stronger necessarily.

Because Imu is in this role, not just wanting to be King of The World but actually being it in actuality the whole time, well that kind ambition clearly leads to a different level of strength.

Someone might also make the argument of him having to make himself known to the world and forcing every to obey his kingship for his title to have validity "why doesn't he make Mihawk bend the knee right now".

But that's like saying Mihawk being WSS in actuality means he has to prove it by literally beating every swordsman like Vista, when we don't need to see him do that to know he's stronger. Just like we don't need to see Imu flex his dominion to know his has kingship over all Kings.

 

[Halyup]

Even rumors got some originality to it unless the character is Buggy.

Until Imu was introduced, in Wano he was widely celebrated as the strongest top tier. Whether you like it or not.

Imu as king of the world is easy to digest

while kaido as rumor strongest creature is hard to believe when Nidhogg Loki exist

 

[StocksInMihawk]

20 Kings > Kaido >= Emet = most likely

 

[Halyup]

Imu>Mihawk>kaido

 

[gz89]

Kaidou isn't just top 50, he isn't even top 10, he's leading as the strongest in history right now, alone with zero competition. You genuinely have to wait for the manga to end to find out if anyone even gets close to knocking him off that spot or matching him. The Yonko aren't fighters, they're abominations above the gods.

Right, must be some other Kaido, cause the one in the actual manga is out there humiliating every other top tier character while literally sleeping.

It is remarkable how a manga aimed at children is interpreted in such a different way by adults.

I really can't understand how people like you, @Erkan12 @nik87 @Gears Kaios @Cruxroux @JoNdule and some others read the same manga and come to such strange and different conclusions.

 

[Ven437]

After this chapter, we were all surprised by the level Sommer reached (Jack/Doffy level) after obtaining Omen and his family sword, but there's something even more important: how strong the original heads of their families were. Because, as Sommer said, it was Imu who brought them back. These kings were extremely powerful (unlike Sommer and Killingham), and it's only thanks to Imu's power that HK can use a bit of his lost power. That said, we have 19 kings with undoubtedly advanced Clash of Clans abilities and legendary swords, Imu, Joyboy, 19 of Joyboy's crewmates and allies (Kid, Law), Shanks, Mihawk, Roger and his Wings, Whitebeard, Xebec, and more from the new generation. So, where do Kaido and Big Mom rank in One Piece: top 20, 30, 50, or 100?
@BillSlipton @RayanOO @Doggo @MonsterZoro @nik87 @mly90 @Boiroy @Infitima @WizardKing @Lor D. Coast @MonsterKaido @Heart pirate @kurwa @kekaro @EmperorKinyagi @Elder Lee Hung

Have to agree that the way things are stacked now, if they don't return by EoS they'll get powercliffed easily. They need fruit awakening or haki blossoming to compete

 

[Cruxroux]

It is remarkable how a manga aimed at children is interpreted in such a different way by adults.

I really can't understand how people like you, @Erkan12 @nik87 @Gears Kaios @Cruxroux @JoNdule and some others read the same manga and come to such strange and different conclusions.

Just say you're retarded lol.

You claim it to be a children manga yet can't provide a valud argument against it.

The tables have turned.



1 Admiral = 3 Emperors

We atleast don't claim this kind of retardation blud.

 

[Erkan12]

It is remarkable how a manga aimed at children is interpreted in such a different way by adults.

I really can't understand how people like you, @Erkan12 @nik87 @Gears Kaios @Cruxroux @JoNdule and some others read the same manga and come to such strange and different conclusions.

You still cope for Garling ?

Xebec,Roger,Garp,Garling,WB,Sengoku, all of these guys are above him so yeah during his era he was a strong dude but not among the top.

Whitebeard is almost finished.
Once he face Garling it will be the last nail in the coffin.

Garling >~ Ray
Shanks >~ Irrelevanthawk

Oda has destroyed everyone's expectations, not a single 1vs1 match happened in the long awaited Fraud Valley.

Relax Warling wasn't defeated, Xebec just sent him away with a powerful attack.
He'll be back next chapter.

I can't imagine any scenario in which Oda would make Ray look as pathetic as Garling was against Xebec.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

We can argue Big Mom but Kaido is still not dethroned from #1 spot.
The King of the World doesnt have a World's Strongest declaration under his name.
The only World's Strongest attached to Imu is the organization he leads, nothing else.

Like Big Mom is anywhere weaker than Kaido...

 

[nik87]

It is remarkable how a manga aimed at children is interpreted in such a different way by adults.

I really can't understand how people like you, @Erkan12 @nik87 @Gears Kaios @Cruxroux @JoNdule and some others read the same manga and come to such strange and different conclusions.

It's rather simple...
...all people you mentioned are aiming at the same thing, the spot of #1 in the world, the World's Strongest.
Noodles and Erkek think that spot belongs to one of the Yonkos, probably both are betting on Blackbeard and I would say they would have logical and valid arguments if there wasnt for their Achilles heel that is called Mihawk.
Biggie-chin is a Sanjibro using Zorobros arguments for the wrong character but #7 aint that far off so we can forgive him...

Like Big Mom is anywhere weaker than Kaido...

Was she ever in the run for the strongest creature like Kaido?
Does she have one stat above Kaido?
Did she take on 5 leaders of new gen like Kaido did?
Narrative equality, sure but that's all...