General & Others Is Luffy Ruining One Piece for you?

[Impact]

Regression is a pseudo-intellectual word Sir Yasheen is forcing into it. You could just say he seems really immature and be done with it, but no, you have to give it a label.

However, Luffy being free-spirited isn't the same thing as turning back into a 5 year old or something which is what you're trying to compare it to.

In reality, it's just a character trait that has developed further. He got more free, more joyful, and more powerful.

 

[Logiko]

Character regression is just when a character regresses to an earlier point in their character arc and loses the growth they already attained. That’s literally what’s happening?

No.

1. It is a moral statement, at least in that context (while you can make that case in others)

2. There is no "earlier point" here where Luffy was unfocused and entranced by his own power. The naivity of Paradise is not present anymore, what you are seeing, is a lack of focus and a surplus of ego. Which is the reason why Gaban made a point out of it. Luffy got cocky through freedom and power as anyone would.

This is not a regression, it's the addition of a new flaw something created at the intersection of his power rise and new title.

Luffy took the world much more serious after Marineford, because he suffered loss of ace and finally realized how big the world was. However, since Wano he’s been acting more akin to the dumb kid that shanks lost an arm to save.

Yes. That is precisely why it is good.

You are supposed to notice that. You are supposed to question that. You are supposed to understand that it is the reason why Luffy got defeated here.

As I said it is the addition of a flaw. But that is semantic. The important thing is : this is good characterization.

It makes Luffy a more complex character (which he already was btw) and someone that can still learn. The point of Marineford and Whole Cake was never to set Luffy's maturity in stone, it was meant to give him the tools to do better next time.

I think we are Lacking a certain Tone with Luffy. I wish we could take WCI Luffy’s Tone and apply it to Egghead and Elbaf, imagine how much better the arcs would be .

I think some people don't like unserious and edgy characters.

Luffy is exactly who he should be, he has in fact never been so much "Luffy" than in Elbaph. What we need is not more stoicism, it is more focus and less ego.

So we shouldn't share our opinions on a forum created for people to share their opinions because some people disagree with these opinions? We should all say the same thing about Nika?

You are already all saying the same freaking thing. We get it now. You don't like cartoons and you like your men edgy and full of aura and muscle.

What I'm asking is to let the room for more positivity to strive. Our time needs positivy, not edgelords.

 

[Logiko]

The problems of fans who think they analyze is that instead of analyzing a story and a character arc as a object of study, they uses this analyzis to apply their morality and judgment unto said parameter.

You end up with things like "I don't like Luffy because he has a flaw now"... well you never liked Luffy to begin with then, you only liked a preconception of Luffy as a fixed and unmovable character.

 

[Logiko]

Now I want an honest answer, do you find it funny when Nika turns into a genie or he has his eyes popped out?

I literally laughed my ass off when it happened. I jumped and screamed outloud how ridiculous yet funny this was.

 

[Impact]

You really don't need 1000 words when all you're saying is "He is immature" and "No, he isn't."

 

[Impact]

Personally, I'm not a big fan of Luffy, but it's for my own reason. If there's anybody who is a Peter Pan in this story, it's him. That alone makes me dislike him.

Does it ruin the story for me? Yes, if the story itself follows that pattern. It trivializes itself by making most things that were mystical in nature far less mysterious.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

No.

1. It is a moral statement, at least in that context (while you can make that case in others)

2. There is no "earlier point" here where Luffy was unfocused and entranced by his own power. The naivity of Paradise is not present anymore, what you are seeing, is a lack of focus and a surplus of ego. Which is the reason why Gaban made a point out of it. Luffy got cocky through freedom and power as anyone would.

This is not a regression, it's the addition of a new flaw something created at the intersection of his power rise and new title.


Yes. That is precisely why it is good.

You are supposed to notice that. You are supposed to question that. You are supposed to understand that it is the reason why Luffy got defeated here.

As I said it is the addition of a flaw. But that is semantic. The important thing is : this is good characterization.

It makes Luffy a more complex character (which he already was btw) and someone that can still learn. The point of Marineford and Whole Cake was never to set Luffy's maturity in stone, it was meant to give him the tools to do better next time.


I think some people don't like unserious and edgy characters.

Luffy is exactly who he should be, he has in fact never been so much "Luffy" than in Elbaph. What we need is not more stoicism, it is more focus and less ego.



You are already all saying the same freaking thing. We get it now. You don't like cartoons and you like your men edgy and full of aura and muscle.

What I'm asking is to let the room for more positivity to strive. Our time needs positivy, not edgelords.

It’s not a moral statement idk what you’re talking about but it’s a literal literary term to describe a character regressing to a previous state in their development.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Luffy is One Piece. I don't like him as much as I used to, but there isn't really anything I'd say about him that doesn't hold true for the series as a whole

 

[Logiko]

It’s not a moral statement idk what you’re talking about but it’s a literal literary term to describe a character regressing to a previous state in their development.

Debatable, but this is not what I'm arguing here.

What I'm arguing is the usage of this word in this very context of reading experience and the fact that people are judging a character evolution as a problem of writing rather than a complexification of the story. This is what I have a problem with and why I explain that people are pushing a moral/appreciation judgement on chararacter evolution.

Media literacy dies when we start seeing stories as predictible food recipiants rather than surprising elevating meals.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Debatable, but this is not what I'm arguing here.

What I'm arguing is the usage of this word in this very context of reading experience and the fact that people are judging a character evolution as a problem of writing rather than a complexification of the story. This is what I have a problem with and why I explain that people are pushing a moral/appreciation judgement on chararacter evolution.

Media literacy dies when we start seeing stories as predictible food recipiants rather than surprising elevating meals.

That’s not debatable. That’s the objective meaning of the word.

You talk a lot about media literacy but I don’t think you understand these basic literacy terms

 

[Steelwing]

He isn’t ruining it any more than another criminal would be ruining it.

 

[Yoho]

No not really luffy is just a victim of mistaken identity he didn't tell all those randoms to glaze him or call him Nika or praise him in fact he out right rejects it

And if you think he ruined one piece cause he doesn't take fights as serious is mistaken the only difference between g5 luffy and any other luffy is he laughs more and thats likely a side affect of the devil fruit rather than something Luffy is consciously doing on purpose

 

[Logiko]

That’s not debatable. That’s the objective meaning of the word

Narration is not some fixed science with a complete set of objective data. Definitions, parameters, usage, we all have our own vision of narration and a path to maturity is to understand that it is a field in constant evolution. I may be a little bit unflexible on the terms usually here, but that is only because the understanding I'm facing is unstructured and destructive for our collective media literacy.

I'm not refusing categorically your definition, I'm telling you that it is debatable. Especially in the fact that the term "regression" implies a rigidification of the character and step back when in most case it is the path for a step forward. Especially in this case.

What I'm also saying is that the context of usage of the word here is important. People do not simply talk about regression of character, they talk about bad writing first. Which is my problem.

 

[Logiko]

And because I already anticipated your potential response, "no it's not what people mean", I made a poll to show you what people are thinking in reality:

Hi.

Do you think Luffy getting cocky, childlike and unfocused because of his new title and power is good or bad writing ?

 

[Konstantis]

Not Luffy but Oda, who fears to show Luffy defeated. Who fears to show some stakes.

 

[uyuu]

The way Oda currently handles characters, plot points, story telling, etc since the beginning of main conflict within Fishman Island is ruining the experience of One Piece for me. It's not just Luffy-exclusive thing.

 

[Sparda]

Yes, or Oda to be precise
Ever since post timeskip, he seems so insecure of people loving other characters, he want them to focus on Luffy, now Nika, its just so absurd. And since Nika arrived, its been even more absurd.

 

[Devilbat]

As long as you don't ruin the fun of everyone else. I don't mind.

But we both know that none of you will be satistied with just enjoying the rest of the journey without doing just that.

Kinda funny how you are lumping everyone here to the same "OP haters" group. I used to post threads like these when I was more active on the forum https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/one-piece-appreciation-thread.38253/ (the poll expired tho), and overall my experience with OP is more positive rather than negative. I am free to exchange my opinion with others, as this is a forum dedicated to OP discussions, and if I don't like some stuff, I will express that. If I like something, I will also talk about it. Same goes to you. We all have the same rights and freedom here. If you don't like this place, you can simply leave instead of telling everyone what they should do.

 

[Longleg Larry]

I love his style. Something about serious villains getting laughed at brings a joyous tear to my eye.

Scopper's giving the old wet blanket approach a try, I hope Nika resists & persists

 

[Reborn]

Luffy ain't ruining my experience anymore. I am used to his over the top wank and just don't care much. It's going on for a long time anyway.

What's ruining my experience is frequent break weeks + slow pacing + lack of justice being done to fights and some of the sub plots