Chapter Discussion Time to accept it for what it is: Enma forced out Zoro's conqueror haki and sped up his growth

#1
Oda, in his stroke of epileptic genius, created one of the most convoluted and horribly inconsistent power systems of all great shonen, haki. Even worse, he decided to turn a cool concept like conqueror's haki into armanent haki 2.0, with visual cues that leave readers arguing about crayon scribbles like illiterate toddlers for days

Conqueror's haki is wielded by one in a million. Within a fraction of that, only a handful of strongest can imbue it, which fandom calls ACoC

CoC users like Doflamingo, Katakuri, Chinjao spent their entire 40+ yrs not learning how to imbue CoC. Sanji is just barely learning he has CoC, let alone try ACoC. Does that make them weak dumbasses? No, it just shows how downright HARD it is to learn ACoC. So hard that rulers and awakened users go their whole lives unable to do mold that burst of CoC onto their fists. Even the earliest we see Roger, a fighting genius with no haki mentor, using it is at the age of 32

Zoro however, found a shortcut to that in the form of Enma. Enma which sucks ALL the haki that a user has. For Zoro, who always had CoC within him, Enma unleashed his CoC and coursed it across his blades

That's why he's only been using ACoC during King of Hell, the mode where Zoro lets Enma have full reign over his haki. Technically he is, but he is not at the same time. He's imbuing CoC but it's Enma that channels it for him, not himself

Now against Sommers, he is finally LEARNING how to imbue CoC on his own, without the need for Enma but thanks to KoH, he's got the intuition. That means he will be able to use it outside of KoH, and start getting creative with shit too. His KoH will no doubt be amped when he unleashes more CoC than Enma would normally take

In the New World where shit gets merciless without warning, getting Enma was Zoro's greatest stroke of luck in his journey. He doesn't have affinity for CoC + massive plot armor like Luffy does, who had to fight ACoC users and nearly died doing it. Zoro was able to skip those 10-20+ extra years and avoid becoming the next Doffy, get straight to the point and let him defeat Mihawk 20 years sooner in time for Oda, his wife, and Sanji's VA to finally go travel the world when the manga ends

 
#2
Enma was Zoro advance Haki training tool- it was obv the moment Zoro got Enna. But certain fandom wanted Zoro to be top tier just out of post ts and argued against it being a powerup.

Saying it since Wano- Enma allowed Zoro to channel more Haki than he normally could- and this also include CoC. He's only learning to properly channel CoC haki now.​
 
#8
Enma was Zoro advance Haki training tool- it was obv the moment Zoro got Enna. But certain fandom wanted Zoro to be top tier just out of post ts and argued against it being a powerup.

Saying it since Wano- Enma allowed Zoro to channel more Haki than he normally could- and this also include CoC. He's only learning to properly channel CoC haki now.​
How come Enma didn’t do any of this For Oden?
 
#10
Nope. Enma only absorbs Ryuo… which is armament

Oden had Enma for 30 years and didn’t know what AdvCoC was
Bro you being serious?

Zoro has been using ACoC without knowing it all this time, and without Gaban or Luffy telling him he might as well been in the dark forever. What makes you think Oden knew any better, considering there was NO ONE to tell him or teach him about CoC? We're talking about a bunch of isolated islanders who called CoA "Ryou." They prob thought CoC was Oden's natural aura or some shit, Ashura even called his CoC "a special trick"

It wasn't until Oden was surrounded by expert ACoC users did he realize what he was doing all this time

there is never a panel where enma alone takes coc

Youre literally showing a panel where zoro talks about releasing all HIS HAKI
I am literally saying that. Enma draws out Zoro's haki which contains both CoA and CoC. Haki is used as the umbrella term for all three colors, less depending on context

Enma drew out Zoro's latent CoC which is why it only appears in KoH mode (green swirls)
 
#11
Time to accept that Oda is at the point of nerfing Zoro to bring him back to the same level he already was.
Egghead and Elbaf, no plan whatsoever...
You were right nik

Zoro would no doubt overtake condom if he was allowed to progress naturally like his captain and re-hash something we learned two arcs ago. But Oda laid seeds of doubt just in case so he could go back and stunt Zoro's growth cuz he doesn't want condom to lose

At this point, the only saving grace of Zoro vs Sommers apart from Sommers stop acting like a bum, is if Zoro somehow learns maki. That would be crazy
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#12
It wasn't until Oden was surrounded by expert ACoC users did he realize what he was doing all this time
No... It wasnt until Roger slapped him with aCoC that Oden even saw aCoC for the first time.
Enma does not draw out CoC, Zoro's first use confirms this. He put no restraints whatsoever and all it took was CoA.
The whole rooftop was pointing out CoA draw alone. Even DeadMan's Game has a specific panel focusing on haki, showing CoA alone.

You were right nik

Zoro would no doubt overtake condom if he was allowed to progress naturally like his captain and re-hash something we learned two arcs ago. But Oda laid seeds of doubt just in case so he could go back and stunt Zoro's growth cuz he doesn't want condom to lose

At this point, the only saving grace of Zoro vs Sommers apart from Sommers stop acting like a bum, is if Zoro somehow learns maki. That would be crazy
We have to understand that Oda doesnt have plans for Zoro in 2 arcs in a row, in a final Saga...
...and we have to understand that he is a childish guy who doesnt like Zoro overtaking Luffy in popularity polls.
Which is what Zoro just did in 6 regions out of 8, this is just his pettiness showing up.

However, Zoro is stronger than Luffy anyway, there is no way around it. He can make Zoro into a retard all he wants but Zoro's high-end moves have already been coated in aCoC since 2 arcs ago. Luffy is easily taken out by anyone who has decent lethality and Zoro is perhaps the most lethal guy in the show. I think Maki is Imu-specific ability. I doubt Zoro will learn anything new here.
 
#13
No... It wasnt until Roger slapped him with aCoC that Oden even saw aCoC for the first time.
Enma does not draw out CoC, Zoro's first use confirms this. He put no restraints whatsoever and all it took was CoA.
The whole rooftop was pointing out CoA draw alone. Even DeadMan's Game has a specific panel focusing on haki, showing CoA alone.
Enma draws HAKI out. Haki includes both CoA and CoC. Oda made it painfully clear that Enma getting free reigns on someone's haki like Zoro's also means his CoC also gets taken. It is literally in the spoiler hidden page in OP

Rooftop Asura had Zoro unleash as much haki as possible, his final attack, meaning Enma was drawing out unrestrained amounts of haki and thus his CoC leaked

It is all fully consistent. I dont know why yall so bent to refuse Enma can draw out HAKI = CoA + CoC when this is whats been shown to us
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#14
Enma draws HAKI out. Haki includes both CoA and CoC. Oda made it painfully clear that Enma getting free reigns on someone's haki like Zoro's also means his CoC also gets taken. It is literally in the spoiler hidden page in OP

Rooftop Asura had Zoro unleash as much haki as possible, his final attack, meaning Enma was drawing out unrestrained amounts of haki and thus his CoC leaked

It is all fully consistent. I dont know why yall so bent to refuse Enma can draw out HAKI = CoA + CoC when this is whats been shown to us
Then why didnt it draw out CoC for decades in Oden's case?
Why didnt it draw out CoC on Zoro's unrestrained first use?
 
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