Chapter Discussion Time to accept it for what it is: Enma forced out Zoro's conqueror haki and sped up his growth

[TheAncientCenturion]

Enma usually draws out CoA from Zoro in every usage prior to 1035.

When Zoro decides to stop holding back and allows Enma to suck him entirely, Zoro’s CoC comes out and he can use it as coating without knowing what it actually is. That’s King of Hell.

^^ My interpretation of wtf is happening in this series

 

[Veku]

Yall like to just make up shit Oda never said and pass it as fact lol

You mean...like invisible seastones?
Zkk?
Zoro never used advoc/Koh against Lucci?
King = top tier
Post time skip Zoro = Yc1 - Low top tier?
Pica = YC1?
Zoro would've whooped Doffy's ass, because Fujitora got in Zoro's way before he could take on Doffy?
Post time skip Zoro >>>>> PTS Luffy?

 

[Soyz]

Facts, pinzoro relies on Emma more then sanjino relies on daddy genes, without it he would be just armament demon

 

[nik87]

Enma drains the haki, Zoro then flows the haki to all three swords so that he doesn’t get drained out of just one arm again.

You need to accept what you’re saying is impossible as Zoro himself states he cannot do that

Once again, you have to accept that your headcanon has a hole in it due to Bird Dance.
If it was Enma's doing, it would have been KOH and Ryo would be present.
Redirecting haki from Enma to the other two is pure nonsense.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Also, Zoro concluded that his strength was lacking which means Oden was straight up stronger than Zoro at any point we saw him in the flashback.

No, that’s not how Enma works… Enma ALWAYS wants the user to go all out… that’s the BASE application of the sword

when Zor first got the sword and it sucked his shit… He STOPPED IT… Zoro’s understanding of swordsmanship to that point is that it’s the Sword user who decides how much power to use…

From that chapter on to the Kaido fight and to the King fight, Zoro was STOPPING Enma’s sucking

but that’s not how you use Enma… Enma isn’t supposed to be stopped from sucking… It’s supposed to be allowed to take as much haki as it wants no matter what the sword user wants

Therefore this is true of Oden too… Zoro even says that Oden must have also been using Enma the exact same way… Either Oden was always using Enma the correct way, meaning letting it it suck up his haki, or he wasn’t and was forcing it to stop sucking, which is wrong and Enma rejected this when Zoro did it

And if Oden was using Enma correctly, it would have affected his CoC, right? And yet it didn’t… Meaning Enma has nothing to do with CoC

 

[moreha9685]

Y'all can't be having a serious conversation about "letting the sword suck" and "stopping the sword from sucking."

Like, c'mon...

 

[NikaInParis]

The "logic" with some users is dumbfounding:
Oda (Zoro's creator) has to consciously nerf Zoro (his creation and figment of his imagination) and "hold him back" otherwise Zoro (a non-sentient group of lines) will overcome Luffy (another non-sentient group of lines).

 

[Rurushu]

The "logic" with some users is dumbfounding:
Oda (Zoro's creator) has to consciously nerf Zoro (his creation and figment of his imagination) and "hold him back" otherwise Zoro (a non-sentient group of lines) will overcome Luffy (another non-sentient group of lines).

People saying shit like “Oda had to nerf him/her/they for plot” are frying me.

Like no, man, Oda didn’t have to do shit.
He can have a DR Gear 2 victim send Imu’s ass flying and not give a fuck (Oh wait...)

 

[Albino 👑]

It’s almost like Zoro wasn’t lying about enma like Zoro stans thought


I can’t wait wait till they figure out that Zoro also wasn’t lying the multiple times he stated lunarians are invulnerable to damage when they’re flame is on

Tho likely not going to happen seeing as they still can’t accept enma being a power up to this day. They also don’t believe he’s actually trying to defeat Lucci or even Sommers now just that he likes to waste everyone’s time and put them in greater danger

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

It’s almost like Zoro wasn’t lying about enma like Zoro stans thought

You have a panel of Zoro saying something about Enma affecting his CoC? The CoC he didn’t know he had?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

People saying shit like “Oda had to nerf him/her/they for plot” are frying me.

Oda has admitted to doing this in quite literally every single arc

@NikaInParis

you mean like this

 

[NikaInParis]

Oda has admitted to doing this in quite literally every single arc

@NikaInParis

you mean like this

Ever heard of figures of speech? Not being literal? Apply those to Oda's quote there unless you genuinely believe fictional characters "have a will of their own"

 

[Rurushu]

Oda has admitted to doing this in quite literally every single arc

@NikaInParis

you mean like this

What I mean is a nerf in the sense of “the character didn’t use X ability because then they would’ve won and the plot couldn’t continue” even though they’re literally fighting to death.

Established nerfs like health or outside interference are a thing.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

What I mean is a nerf in the sense of “the character didn’t use X ability because then they would’ve won and the plot couldn’t continue” even though they’re literally fighting to death.

Established nerfs like health or outside interference are a thing.

I mean who knows really

why Didnt Zoro use ashura on King?

this king fight is extremely bizarre since Advcoc/KoH didnt even seem necesary

remember That Zoro didnt need KoH/Advcoc to damage king… the secret to Damaging king was JUST WAIT FOR KING TO REMOVE HIS UNBEATABLE FORM BY HIMSELF

it’s utter stupidity and yet it’s true. It’s the worst fight Oda has ever written because of this nonsense… king lost because he let himself lose

why exactly could Ashura just have beaten king? Just wait for King to turn his invincibility off and Ashura one shot his ass and the fight ends

instead Oda as usual has Zoro forget Ashura and instead he goes through this useless KoH power up that we learn 2 arcs later didn’t even work and he has to relearn it

@NikaInParis Does this seem more fair as an analysis of the bizarreness with Zoro’s power ups?

 

[Ven437]

Enma draws out CoA as stated in the manga, where are you getting this other stuff from

Yall like to just make up shit Oda never said and pass it as fact lol

Zoro word for word Enma is sucking up his HAKI, which includes both CoA and CoC

Swordsmith only know of ryou, they dont even call it CoA much less know about CoC. Ashura calls it "Oden's special trick"

We see Zoro unleashing CoC when he finally lets Enma free reign over sucking out his haki

It is not hard to follow. Oda doesnt have to spoonfeed you everything

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Zoro word for word Enma is sucking up his HAKI, which includes both CoA and CoC

Swordsmith only know of ryou, they dont even call it CoA much less know about CoC. Ashura calls it "Oden's special trick"

We see Zoro unleashing CoC when he finally lets Enma free reign over sucking out his haki

It is not hard to follow. Oda doesnt have to spoonfeed you everything

Okay so how come Oden had Enma for 30 year and it never affected his CoC for 30 years

modem only learned what AdvCoC was when he saw Roger and Whitebeard do it

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

I just don't really like that Enma has this inexplicable magic power about it. I know shonens can't resist magic swords and all, but still.

 

[rohithkun]

No, that’s not how Enma works… Enma ALWAYS wants the user to go all out… that’s the BASE application of the sword

when Zor first got the sword and it sucked his shit… He STOPPED IT… Zoro’s understanding of swordsmanship to that point is that it’s the Sword user who decides how much power to use…

From that chapter on to the Kaido fight and to the King fight, Zoro was STOPPING Enma’s sucking

but that’s not how you use Enma… Enma isn’t supposed to be stopped from sucking… It’s supposed to be allowed to take as much haki as it wants no matter what the sword user wants

Therefore this is true of Oden too… Zoro even says that Oden must have also been using Enma the exact same way… Either Oden was always using Enma the correct way, meaning letting it it suck up his haki, or he wasn’t and was forcing it to stop sucking, which is wrong and Enma rejected this when Zoro did it

And if Oden was using Enma correctly, it would have affected his CoC, right? And yet it didn’t… Meaning Enma has nothing to do with CoC

Please read the first spoiler panel. Zoro clearly states it was his strength that is lacking. I know you guys make up your own canon, but try to come down from clouds. Also, I am not saying anything about CoC, it doesn't matter if Enma has anything to do with CoC. My reply was to comment that was saying why we didn't see Oden face similar issues to Zoro.

 

[Rukusho]

I like this thread shows some people can’t read 🤣🤣😭

 

[zzShinichi]

Another reason to hate on l Enma i guess