Powers & Abilities What is this Disney ass “Sense of self” nonsense?

[Johnny B. Decent]

When? You mean after he saw Roger and Whitebeard clash?

that was 30 years after he started using Enma

how come Enma didn’t do shit to his CoC for 30 whole years??

Because that's not what it does? It just draws Haki out, it doesn't magically make people super strong like it's Soul Edge or something.

 

[Cozy Sofa]

This is impossible

We saw this with Gaban and Sanji. Gaban can tell when people have “personality traits” of someone with CoC but he never said “You have CoC” to Sanji

no one in the story has ever been able to just say people have CoC unless they use it in front of them. What people can GUESS is “personality traits” that CoC users have

Zoro
A) Used the 3000 worlds attack Mihawk, top 5-10 in the world Mihawk, making Mihawk start to sweat
B) He saw Zoros resolve with the knife in the heart + slash across chest with no back turned

Luffy
A) The mere fact Zoro is under Luffy gave it away.
B) He already could conclude it from Shanks stories and interest in this certain boy.

I hardly believe Mihawk went around telling every nobody worth 15m (give or take for Zoro at that point) what he told Zoro.

And I hardly believe he would have even travelled all the way to Shanks unless Luffy had something about him.

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

I love how we are all getting shocked by Zoro being this dumb, when the reality is that Oda always and consistently shows him as dumb as rock. So cant be helped

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

If it only took CoA, it would only drain him of his energy and feel tired.. It wouldn't also shrink his Arm as well..

that’s your headcanon

oden is shown on panel having no idea what AdvCoC is after having Enma for 30 years

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Zoro
A) Used the 3000 worlds attack Mihawk, top 5-10 in the world Mihawk, making Mihawk start to sweat
B) He saw Zoros resolve with the knife in the heart + slash across chest with no back turned

Luffy
A) The mere fact Zoro is under Luffy gave it away.
B) He already could conclude it from Shanks stories and interest in this certain boy.

I hardly believe Mihawk went around telling every nobody worth 15m (give or take for Zoro at that point) what he told Zoro.

And I hardly believe he would have even travelled all the way to Shanks unless Luffy had something about him.

Again “personality traits”

Unless you want to Zoro or Luffy actually used CoC in East blue, no character in this story has ever senses CoC without it actually being used

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Because that's not what it does? It just draws Haki out, it doesn't magically make people super strong like it's Soul Edge or something.

No? It draws out Ryuo… Ryuo is CoA, not CoC

You are the one that made the claim that Enma can’t draw out suck up your CoC… So how come it never sucked Oden’s CoC for the whole 30 years he had it

oden had to learn that AdvCoC exists FROM ROGER

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I love how we are all getting shocked by Zoro being this dumb, when the reality is that Oda always and consistently shows him as dumb as rock. So cant be helped

What are you talking about? Are you in the wrong thread?

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

No? It draws out Ryuo… Ryuo is CoA, not CoC

You are the one that made the claim that Enma can’t draw out suck up your CoC… So how come it never sucked Oden’s CoC for the whole 30 years he had it

oden had to learn that AdvCoC exists FROM ROGER

I went back to Ch. 996, and you're wrong. He's surprised to see Roger and Whitebeard's clash not touching, but that's it. And even that's probably because he hadn't seen someone else with CoC at Wano then actual ignorance of the power.

Also, you claim he had no knowledge of it, but then what, two or so years later, he's a master of it to wound Kaido with no issues?

 

[Rootbeer]

that’s your headcanon

oden is shown on panel having no idea what AdvCoC is after having Enma for 30 years

I don't care about Oden, it's a lame argument.. Draining CoA only doesn't shrink your body when you think about it..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I went back to Ch. 996, and you're wrong. He's surprised to see Roger and Whitebeard's clash not touching, but that's it. And even that's probably because he hadn't seen someone else with CoC at Wano then actual ignorance of the power.

Also, you claim he had no knowledge of it, but then what, two or so years later, he's a master of it to wound Kaido with no issues?

You mean chapter 966

notice the top right Panel of Oden gettin hit by Divine departure…. AND THEN HE LITERALLY ASKS WHAT THAT WAS?

oden was hit by AdvCoC and he asks “WHAT WAS THAT”

and then he witnesses an AdvCoC clash and he’s SHOCKED “THEY ARENT EVEN TOUCHING”

you think the above is an indicator that Oden knew what AdvCoC was? He’s asking what it is and is shocked by its display

Also, you claim he had no knowledge of it, but then what, two or so years later, he's a master of it to wound Kaido with no issues?

And yes 2 years is more than plenty of time to become an AdvCoC master


Luffy became an AdvCoC master in about 20 minutes after learning it existed. And then Zoro scarred Kaido BEFORE even learning that AdvCoC exists and that he has it

 

[nik87]

Bros are still stuck with thinking Enma drains aCoC... Despite Zoro trying to use it and Enma doing nothing... On top of everything else that has proven Enma cant do that...
As expected from haki monks.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I don't care about Oden, it's a lame argument.. Draining CoA only doesn't shrink your body when you think about it..

I care about Oden so if you don’t want to answer why Enma supposedly has different powers when Oden uses it verse when Zoro uses it, then we have nothing else to discuss

either Enma has the same powers for both Oden and Zoro or you explain why it’s powers changed with MANGA PANELS when Zoro got it

 

[Rootbeer]

I care about Oden so if you don’t want to answer why Enma supposedly has different powers when Oden uses it verse when Zoro uses it, then we have nothing else to discuss

either Enma has the same powers for both Oden and Zoro or you explain why it’s powers changed with MANGA PANELS when Zoro got it

It's very simple Oda didn't show Oden had the same green flames and Black lightning as Zoro to save the reveal for Zoro.. Why would Oden not have the same features, Oden had CoC..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

It's very simple Oda didn't show Oden had the same green flames and Black lightning as Zoro to save the reveal for Zoro.. Why would Oden not have the same features, Oden had CoC..

Who told you that I’m talking about green flames and black lightning. I’m taking about Oden not having AdvCoC… I not talking about haki effects

This page exists

Oden is literally asking what AdvCoC is in this page he has no idea

You think Enma can suck out CoC and Oden with Enma has no idea what Roger and Whitebeard are doing with their CoC

 

[Rootbeer]

Bros are still stuck with thinking Enma drains aCoC... Despite Zoro trying to use it and Enma doing nothing... On top of everything else that has proven Enma cant do that...
As expected from haki monks.

Zoro didn't have Black Lightning on Blades when he used AdCoC the first time in this chapter.. Only Green smokes.. Only Green smokes are there when he has been trying to control his CoC so far..

 

[Rootbeer]

Who told you that I’m talking about green flames and black lightning. I’m taking about Oden not having AdvCoC… I not talking about haki effects

This page exists

Oden is literally asking what AdvCoC is in this page he has no idea

You think Enma can suck out CoC and Oden with Enma has no idea what Roger and Whitebeard are doing with their CoC

At this point we can't reduce AdCoC to one thing, it's broader than that.. That term encompasses many diverse applications of that power..

So Oden did have Green smokes and Black Lightning.. If you're talking about no touch AdCoC, yes Oden doesn't have it..

Green smokes were hell of more important in this chapter and the end of the last one than the '' Black Lightning '' to pratice '' CoC Control ''..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

So Oden did have Green smokes and Black Lightning.. If you're talking about no touch AdCoC, yes Oden doesn't have it..

Green smokes were hell of more important in this chapter and the end of the last one than the '' Black Lightning '' to pratice '' CoC Control ''..

The panel where Oden is asking what Roger did to him was after Roger used Divine departure on him

So no, this isn’t about “no touch”… Oden was asking what Roger used on him even before he saw this clash

oden was hit by Roger’s AdvCoC and he literally runs to Roger asking “WHAT WAS THAT”

Oden has no idea what AdvCoC is, hence why he’s asking about it

Enma didn’t suck out Oden’s CoC for 30 whole years and he learned the existence of AdvCoC from Roger

 

[nik87]

Zoro didn't have Black Lightning on Blades when he used AdCoC the first time in this chapter.. Only Green smokes.. Only Green smokes are there when he has been trying to control his CoC so far..

I see plenty of black lightning in >intend to be a king scene...

 

[Rootbeer]

The panel where Oden is asking what Roger did to him was after Roger used Divine departure on him

So no, this isn’t about “no touch”… Oden was asking what Roger used on him even before he saw this clash

oden was hit by Roger’s AdvCoC and he literally runs to Roger asking “WHAT WAS THAT”

Oden has no idea what AdvCoC is, hence why he’s asking about it

Enma didn’t suck out Oden’s CoC for 30 whole years and he learned the existence of AdvCoC from Roger

Oh you mean that part.. I need to reassess Roger's Divine Departure, i don't know..

Oden wasn't confused about the nature of the attack though, it was because it went through his Sword..

You just need base CoC to not get the Haki drawn out of you..

I see plenty of black lightning in >intend to be a king scene...

Then Hide Zoro still not having Black Lightning on Blade before doing AdCoC..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Oh you mean that part.. I need to reassess Roger's Divine Departure, i don't know..

Oden wasn't confused about the nature of the attack though, it was because it went through his Sword..

You just need base CoC to not get the Haki drawn out of you..

The entire page is Oden having no idea what’s happening

it starts with Oden having no idea what divine departure was and then him having no idea what Roger and Whitebeard are doing

Everyone is using AdvCoC and oden is shocked and flabbergasted by every AdvCoC usage

oden doesn’t have AdvCoC. Yet he had Enma for 30 years of his life