Questions & Mysteries The theory that Monkey D Dragon is the man with the burn scar is the only one that still holds water

[Urouge]

There’s a reason Gaban told the straw hats to meet him after Elbaf if the country remains safe.

Gaban has every indication of it being him including a literal flame mark.

but it makes no sense to find out at the end of the arc, the black ship moored off the coast of Elbaf, at the Underworld (or in the Heaven world on a sea of clouds)

The sea whirlpools, whose function is to repel enemies that get too close, end up serving no purpose.
no connection to a Devil Fruit

no connection to the government

The burn has no deep significance, it’s just an ordinary burn with no hidden backstory, an ordinary burn.

We already know everything about Gabana, we’ve seen her fight, we’ve seen every side of her.

There is no challenge or confrontation, nothing to overcome, since they already know Gaban.
He's just going to give them the Road Poneglyph for free, without any effort.

It would be absolute crap, And above all, it would be anticlimactic, unsatisfying, Disappointing, Underwhelming, There wouldn't be any sense of escalating intensity or the discovery of an impressive mystery.
There would be no ramping up.

That would just suck.

 

[Urouge]

What's absurd is thinking it's Dragon.

Oda already introduced a mechanism required to reach the New World. None have reached Lodestar or Raftel, so it only makes sense reaching either requires a special mechanism. That could easily be creating whirlpools to dive.

As the navigator of the crew, it only makes sense Gaban held onto the Oro Jackson.

Gaban has not been debunked in the slightest. Clearly you don't know what you're talking about.

You don't know how to read manga panels :

Learn to read before participating in the debate.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

You don't know how to read manga panels :

Learn to read before participating in the debate.

this is the biggest issue with gaban being the man marked by flames. there's no possible explanation for him being able to make large vortexes in the ocean like this

 

[Rumble]

You don't know how to read manga panels :

Learn to read before participating in the debate.

You don't know how to read, period.

This doesn't exclude Gaban, at all, retard.

 

[Rumble]

this is the biggest issue with gaban being the man marked by flames. there's no possible explanation for him being able to make large vortexes in the ocean like this

Yes, there is.

It can easily be a mechanism of the Oro Jackson.

 

[Urouge]

Gaban has been in the story for like 2 years now, feels kind of odd for oda to hold back the reveal, Dragon doesn't actually travel either, so I think it'll be a new character

Yes, it's clearly not Gaban.


Monkey D Dragon and the revolutionaries travel all over the world all the time, for their diverse revolutionary activities

There are revolts all over the world, illegal trafficking with the underworld. They have attacked states in South Blue and North Blue. Countries in civil war are carrying out revolutions, like the Eight-Nation Revolution. They are launching assaults on Mary Geoise. We see him traveling in Kuma's flashback and in Sabo's flashback; he is always on the move with the Revolutionaries to spark revolution all across the globe

Dragon has everything it takes to be the man with the burn scar

 

[Sir Yasheen]

but it makes no sense to find out at the end of the arc, the black ship moored off the coast of Elbaf, at the Underworld (or in the Heaven world on a sea of clouds)

The sea whirlpools, whose function is to repel enemies that get too close, end up serving no purpose.
no connection to a Devil Fruit

no connection to the government

The burn has no deep significance, it’s just an ordinary burn with no hidden backstory, an ordinary burn.

We already know everything about Gabana, we’ve seen her fight, we’ve seen every side of her.

There is no challenge or confrontation, nothing to overcome, since they already know Gaban.
He's just going to give them the Road Poneglyph for free, without any effort.

It would be absolute crap, And above all, it would be anticlimactic, unsatisfying, Disappointing, Underwhelming, There wouldn't be any sense of escalating intensity or the discovery of an impressive mystery.
There would be no ramping up.

That would just suck.

This makes no sense the more Elbaf has moved forward.

Gaban initially planned to test Luffy with Loki. However now, Luffy is literally up against Imu himself and we’re talking about Luffy getting the poneglyph with no effort? That’s just a dumb argument.

And this connection to the WG or DF assumption is purely because of the BBP made a guess. They have no actual knowledge about it.

We already know Gaban is the most accomplished Navigator in recent memory. You think he doesn’t know how to make a whirlpool? He’s literally the only known individual who fits the boxes. Dragon doesn’t make any sense, so unless some random character oda makes up on the spot is the man marked by flames it’s just simply Gaban.

 

[Urouge]

You don't know how to read, period.

This doesn't exclude Gaban, at all, retard.

Read the words in the speech bubble again, one by one, articulating clearly and taking the time to reflect on the meaning of each word

I know that anything involving thinking is complicated for you, So I am lenient regarding your stupidity

 

[MonochromeYoru]

gonna be Barbell

 

[Urouge]

This makes no sense the more Elbaf has moved forward.

Gaban initially planned to test Luffy with Loki. However now, Luffy is literally up against Imu himself and we’re talking about Luffy getting the poneglyph with no effort? That’s just a dumb argument.

And this connection to the WG or DF assumption is purely because of the BBP made a guess. They have no actual knowledge about it.

We already know Gaban is the most accomplished Navigator in recent memory. You think he doesn’t know how to make a whirlpool? He’s literally the only known individual who fits the boxes. Dragon doesn’t make any sense, so unless some random character oda makes up on the spot is the man marked by flames it’s just simply Gaban.

But it is obvious that Gaban knows how to create whirlpools, I have never denied it


It's just that other moron saying it's a mechanism to get into Laugtale or Lodestar.
Even though it is clearly indicated in the manga's speech bubbles that it is an attack against the ship's enemies, just an attack against ennemi

 

[Sir Yasheen]

this is the biggest issue with gaban being the man marked by flames. there's no possible explanation for him being able to make large vortexes in the ocean like this

Same way the arlong pirates did it. Manipulating the underwater currents. He’s a navigator

 

[Urouge]

Same way the arlong pirates did it. Manipulating the underwater currents. He’s a navigator

Yes, I agree with that, he could easily create some by hurling his axes into the sea

Axes spinning in the sea can create whirlpools

But my arguments were never about that

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yes, I agree with that, he could easily create some by hurling his axes into the sea

But my arguments were never about that

I know that’s why I was responding to MZTS asking how he could. My response to you was about how Gaban being the man marked by flames wouldn’t make the poneglyph unearned as he was always going to test Luffy and now he’s facing the top one of the verse for it

 

[Urouge]

I know that’s why I was responding to MZTS asking how he could. My response to you was about how Gaban being the man marked by flames wouldn’t make the poneglyph unearned as he was always going to test Luffy and now he’s facing the top one of the verse for it

And my answer is based on the fact that it makes no sense to create a whirlpool system on the open sea that attacks enemies getting too close to your black ship, If it's to reveal your black ship moored off the coast of an island like Elbaf and not out at sea

and this to pit him against friends, comrades-in-arms, like the straw hats, rather than enemies or strangers who could potentially be enemies.

 

[Rumble]

Read the words in the speech bubble again, one by one, articulating clearly and taking the time to reflect on the meaning of each word

I know that anything involving thinking is complicated for you, So I am lenient regarding your stupidity

Are you a cousin on both sides of the family or something?

This doesn't exclude Gaban, imbecile.

 

[Urouge]

Are you a cousin on both sides of the family or something?

This doesn't exclude Gaban, imbecile.

On the other hand, that completely contradicts your bogus theory that the whirlpools are a gateway special mechanism to Laugh Tale or Lodestar.

Your theory is factually wrong.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

And my answer is based on the fact that it makes no sense to create a whirlpool system on the open sea that attacks enemies getting too close to your black ship, If it's to reveal your black ship moored off the coast of an island like Elbaf and not out at sea

It does make sense if Odas plan was to establish Gabans fighting style first then explain how he uses it to create whirlpools.

The black ship imo is the reveal, the Oro Jackson is a ship we’d all recognize, but the people of the verse wouldn’t anymore. As such introducing us to the ship out on sea would instantly spoil the surprise of Gaban as we’d all know it’s him.

 

[Urouge]

It does make sense if Odas plan was to establish Gabans fighting style first then explain how he uses it to create whirlpools.

The black ship imo is the reveal, the Oro Jackson is a ship we’d all recognize, but the people of the verse wouldn’t anymore. As such introducing us to the ship out on sea would instantly spoil the surprise of Gaban as we’d all know it’s him.

One Piece has always worked the other way around: there was always a moment where the power was shown without explanation, followed by the explanation of the power itself.

With every power reveal in One Piece, it always works the same way, at first, you don't understand it, the power seems magical and overwhelmingly strong, with no explanation of how it works, but later, the mechanics are explained, and it seems much clearer and simpler.

Oda already spoiled the surprise regarding Gaban before his appearance by hinting at who it might be, when Gaban walks toward the castle and Luffy mentions Shanks's family, saying that his family is the Roger Pirates, Rayleigh, but not Buggy. When discussing Shamrock
is a one chapter before the appearance of Gaban.

Besides, there would be no point in bringing back the Oro Jackson painted black, I don't see what that would signify in the story, it wouldn't convey anything interesting.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

One Piece has always worked the other way around: there was always a moment where the power was shown without explanation, followed by the explanation of the power itself.

With every power reveal in One Piece, it always works the same way, at first, you don't understand it, the power seems magical and overwhelmingly strong, with no explanation of how it works, but later, the mechanics are explained, and it seems much clearer and simpler.

Oda already spoiled the surprise regarding Gaban before his appearance by hinting at who it might be, when Gaban walks toward the castle and Luffy mentions Shanks's family, saying that his family is the Roger Pirates, Rayleigh, but not Buggy. When discussing Shamrock
is a one chapter before the appearance of Gaban.

That’s not true though, this is like how krieg explained his ships being destroyed by Mihawk. Swearing it was some kind of DF then we saw Mihawk in person and his first scene is showcasing how precise his swordsmanship and that told us how he destroyed kriegs fleet.

 

[Urouge]

That’s not true though, this is like how krieg explained his ships being destroyed by Mihawk. Swearing it was some kind of DF then we saw Mihawk in person and his first scene is showcasing how precise his swordsmanship and that told us how he destroyed kriegs fleet.

Yes, that's what I'm explaining

I just said that

We see the power without explanation ➞ Then we see an explanation of how it works

In Elbaf, we were already given an explanation of how Gaban wields his axes when he was introduced as the mountaineater.

So it wouldn't make any sense to show us mysterious whirlpools if we already know how they're made.