Chapter Discussion One Piece chapter 1196: The Love of those who seek death is worthless

[Mr. Reloaded]

I heard, as is first degree he making the whole temple bow down to present his coc

I bow to no one

 

[Berry Rich]

This is why I was really hoping Stussy would be an ally post-Egghead/sail with the Crew to Elbaph.

They could have used Stussy's Rokushiki training very well.

Sanji with Paper Art/Shave would be very dangerous/hard to hit, and the fanbase has been hoping for him to get Rankyaku/Tempest Kick forever.

Garp/Koby/Kuzan are also individuals I could see teaching more Rokushiki to the Straw hats.

I don't know about Sanji but I would like to see more of rokushiki, either from CP0 or marines.

Luffy would definitely have benefited from mastering his own version of Paper Arts.

Sanji should have been had some sort Tempest Kick variation. It's baffling honestly. Does Sanji even have long range attacks? Imagine him throwing fire blades from his kicks!!

Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe, Chopper, and Brook would benefit in learning their own versions of Iron Body Kung Fu. Robin would greatly benefit using Iron Body in her flower pose. Franky would doing Radical Beam. Usopp shooting anything with his Kabuto. Same with Nami using her Climatact.

Finger Pistol fits with Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe, Robin, and Brook with its variations.

The Strawhats would definitely have benefited learning some Six Powers tips from Stussy.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Why did you jump me when I said the exact same thing?

Huh?

 

[centurion]

 

[BattalGazi]

You know its coming.

 

[JEK892]

Luffy would definitely have benefited from mastering his own version of Paper Arts.

Sanji should have been had some sort Tempest Kick variation. It's baffling honestly. Does Sanji even have long range attacks? Imagine him throwing fire blades from his kicks!!

Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe, Chopper, and Brook would benefit in learning their own versions of Iron Body Kung Fu. Robin would greatly benefit using Iron Body in her flower pose. Franky would doing Radical Beam. Usopp shooting anything with his Kabuto. Same with Nami using her Climatact.

Finger Pistol fits with Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe, Robin, and Brook with its variations.

The Strawhats would definitely have benefited learning some Six Powers tips from Stussy.

The thing is, doesn't learning Rokushiki usually take years of gruelling training? I don't think its something you can really learn from just a few short pointers (for the most part).

 

[Raiden7]

Do you remember when Sanji was supposed to go on the "science" route with the next powerups?

 

[kekaro]

Do you remember when Sanji was supposed to go on the "science" route with the next powerups?

A very smart gent Made a thread about it coping how He gonna get a raid suit and his very high iq brain deduced that


His Name Slips my mind.... hmm who could have it been...

 

[D. Plant]

Zoro and Sanji haters bickering with each other like Cats and Dogs

Wings-Enthusiasts who want Zoro and Sanji to both be top 10 EOS greeting each other

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y6EoeIhrM18

 

[Moewu]

On the cover page, Lilith and Edison are sparring against a mother and child kangaroo! And it's a tough looking kangaroo, too! Flaming tattoos all over her body like she's in the yakuza or something! And yes, only female kangaroos have pouches, so despite the rough exterior, this would be a girl! BUT WHAT COULD IT MEAN?! Well...all the "no science allowed" signs in the gym MIGHT be symbolic of how the Strawhats themselves need to buckle down and train their Haki? As for the kangaroo...well, according to a SBS, if the characters where living in the real world there IS a character who would be from Australia. Bonney! So...maybe this represents that Bonney will fight with Lilith? Which I could actually see happen, at least briefly, if it turns out Lilith can't bring Kuma all the way back. Bonney may throw a bit of a fit and have Kuma attack the Vegapunks. But, we'll see.

Awww...Sanji managed to push down his repressed memories. That means this is going to get dragged out a little longer, isn't it? You're only delaying the inevitable, Sanji!

"You cooks really value your hands, right?" ...How does Killingham know that? Has he actually deemed to "lower" himself enough to actually TALK to another cook, before?

...And then Killingham seems to start talking to Longinus. Given that these are magical legendary swords, it's not impossible that they actually have distinct personalities and could talk back. Chances are it's just a quirk to get some exposition out. But, I'm still going to highlight this, in case it comes up again, in the future.

And then Killingham manages to manifest Sanji's worst Nightmare...IVANKOV! We're doing this! It's not quite the Kamabakka-Sanji that some people predicted, but it's pretty close! Although, it's worth noting that Sanji doesn't fall asleep due to Killingham's attack. So, he's not QUITE able to shrug the Devil Fruit's effect off with Haki...but he IS shown to be slightly resistant to it. I think this shows he's...halfway there, maybe.

Sanji is actually a little surprised that it's Ivankov and not his dad. And fair enough, I guess. I guess Sanji has plenty of trauma to go around.

And then Killingham and Nightmare-Ivankov basically do the fusion dance and become...Ivan-Kirin! They don't call it that, but that's what it is! I guess Oda REALLY liked the idea of Ivankov getting Kaido's Dragon Fruit and wanted to show us something pretty similar in the actual manga.

"Nothing is worth less...than the love of someone with a death wish!" Harsh...but maybe fair enough? Like they say, if you don't love yourself, you can't really love others.

The sight of Killingham's horse-legs in fishnets is...something. I hope this doesn't awaken anything in me.

FLASHBACK TIME! Oh, black borders, we keep seeing you more and more often, recently.

Apparently, Sanji kept trying to tank attacks on Kamabakka. Showing that what Sanji lacks is...SELF LOVE! Oh...the jokes that are and will be coming. One good night with a magazine should fix him right up. Ivankov even says the whole "one who does not love himself cannot love another" thing.

Apparently, Sanji's "sense of love is covered is scars". Which is a pretty cool line, not gonna lie. He should use that, when he's trying to pick up women.

Ivankov ALSO has a man who's worth sacrificing for! And...I'm assuming that's Dragon? Unless Ivankov has someone special we don't know about. It certainly wasn't Kuma.

So, all Sanji has to do is tighten his defenses a little! I guess Sanji's the shield and Zoro's the sword, for Luffy. Kind of fitting, given what we've seen of Nika's own "weapons".

And now that Sanji's healed his own emotional scars...Nightmare-Ivankov just vanishes! This was the quickest (and least expensive) therapy session, ever! Huh. So, I guess this confirms that if someone STOPS being afraid of their Nightmare, it just goes away. So, some of those Giant Kids just needed to stop being afraid of Loki and their mother, and they would have disappeared, too.

And now it's time for Sanji to get serious! And his eyebrows are staying unflipped. That's probably a sign of growth for him.

AND...there's another break next "veek". Heh. Okay, I appreciate the pun. That helps soften the blow a little.

Solid breakdown! Honestly, that connection between the kangaroo and Bonney’s Australian SBS background is a massive brain play. I could totally see her losing it at Lilith if Kuma’s restoration goes sideways. Also, great catch on the "No Science" sign. It perfectly mirrors the current chapter since science is useless for Sanji here, this is purely a mental and Haki battle.

Tbf, I don’t think the trauma is being dragged out though. The Kamabakka flashback is basically forcing him to face his toxic lack of self-love. Instead of repressing it, lighting his cigarette at the end shows he’s finally processing Ivankov's words and breaking the illusion.

That whole Kirin-Ivankov fusion was a complete fever dream ngl, but Sanji fighting off the sleep effect is huge. That final panel screams that this mental breakthrough is setting up a massive Haki awakening for the next chapter.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

If I leak the post of ours(the great @CoC: Color of Clowns or Reloaded files), I fear the community would be the least problem we gonna would have to deal with to..

Police be like:

I can't speak for @CoC: Color of Clowns but my hard drive is squeaky clean

 

[OykotsTreasure]

Tbf, I don’t think the trauma is being dragged out though. The Kamabakka flashback is basically forcing him to face his toxic lack of self-love. Instead of repressing it, lighting his cigarette at the end shows he’s finally processing Ivankov's words and breaking the illusion.

Eh, that's mostly pacing quibbles, on my part. Because, if Sanji hadn't tried to repress his memories again, we could have just opened this chapter with the flashback. THEN we could have gotten Sanji's CoC awakening and Sanji's fight with Killingham THIS chapter, instead of probably next chapter. What Oda did isn't bad, the fight this chapter was actually pretty well choreographed, and Ivan-Kirin pushing him over the edge was a good motivator. But, it could have been *slightly* faster paced. Again, just quibbles, not a big deal, really.

Either way, Sanji's fight should finish up next chapter. Unless we flash over to Luffy and his fight. Because, I'm not sure if Oda's planning on having Zoro and Sanji finishing their opponents off at the same time, thus giving Luffy a opening with Imu, in a cool double-page spread. Or if Oda's planning on having Zoro, Sanji, AND Luffy ALL land solid hits on their opponents at the same time, giving us a three-way-feature. A full Monster Trio double-page splash. Luffy might have to learn something about HIS CoC first, or get ahold of whatever's in Lili's Treasure Box first, I'm not sure.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

I can't speak for @CoC: Color of Clowns but my hard drive is squeaky clean

Every year/half year I delete my accounts, and delete all my hentai from my PC.

And then a few months later worse shit has replaced it.

My Gelbooru Tag Blacklist is over 100 tags long, easy.



Imagine Sanji once Lilith develops Porn on the Punk-Net?

 

[kekaro]

Every year/half year I delete my accounts, and delete all my hentai from my PC.

And then a few months later worse shit has replaced it.

My Gelbooru Tag Blacklist is over 100 tags long, easy.



Imagine Sanji once Lilith develops Porn on the Punk-Net?

Post the taglist

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Post the taglist

LOL I actually don't think I can, there's too many cursed tags.

Some of the freaky ass tags you find... Freaking Personality Excretion. Anything involving diapers.

I just wanna watch horny people have good times together, my complaint with Western smut is the same as with Eastern smut, way too rapey.

In terms of One Piece, Tama, Toko, S-Snake, Bonney are on my blacklist. HELL NO. Oh, Celestial Dragons, and specifically Charlos, too.

Every time I see Charlos in smut I want to throw something.

I fuck with ugly dudes in hentai getting laid, but I hate ugly bastards.

Like the dude from Chainsmoker Cat. I haven't watched the series, but, as far as I know, just a wholesome dude who wants to bang some cat lady... pussy.

I gotta stop before I summon AL...

 

[Horo Horo Musume]

LOL I actually don't think I can, there's too many cursed tags.

Some of the freaky ass tags you find... Freaking Personality Excretion. Anything involving diapers.

I just wanna watch horny people have good times together, my complaint with Western smut is the same as with Eastern smut, way too rapey.

In terms of One Piece, Tama, Toko, S-Snake, Bonney are on my blacklist. HELL NO. Oh, Celestial Dragons, and specifically Charlos, too.

Every time I see Charlos in smut I want to throw something.

I fuck with ugly dudes in hentai getting laid, but I hate ugly bastards.

Like the dude from Chainsmoker Cat. I haven't watched the series, but, as far as I know, just a wholesome dude who wants to bang some cat lady... pussy.

I gotta stop before I summon AL...

 

[LokiOfElbaf]

LOL I actually don't think I can, there's too many cursed tags.

Some of the freaky ass tags you find... Freaking Personality Excretion. Anything involving diapers.

I just wanna watch horny people have good times together, my complaint with Western smut is the same as with Eastern smut, way too rapey.

In terms of One Piece, Tama, Toko, S-Snake, Bonney are on my blacklist. HELL NO. Oh, Celestial Dragons, and specifically Charlos, too.

Every time I see Charlos in smut I want to throw something.

I fuck with ugly dudes in hentai getting laid, but I hate ugly bastards.

Like the dude from Chainsmoker Cat. I haven't watched the series, but, as far as I know, just a wholesome dude who wants to bang some cat lady... pussy.

I gotta stop before I summon AL...

 

[AverageBuggyEnjoyer]

Bro just joined, and his first introduction to the forum is a CoC post

It's over

 

[Kiiro]

Did any Sanji fan notice this? That Sanji lacked defense?

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

I can't believe we finally got an explanation for why Sanji keeps getting hit despite being one of the fastest characters in the series. While I still think Oda could have highlighted this better throughout the story, I'm just glad we finally have an answer.