Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1197 Spoilers Discussion

[Fn Lucci]

You still refuse to listen to the context and actual translation of Oda's scrapped concepts.

Ryuma or Zoro was never the deuteragonist of OP.

Knight vs Samurai was Ryuma and a Sanji like character, that was the one that had two protagonists. And the Sanji-like character was also like Luffy as well, a mix of the two. In OP, he divided them.

Never the deuteragonist, but it's also pretty obvious that Oda has been intentionally using Zoro less for years now to balance it out.

Saying he gave Zoro special focus in Wano, for example, just isn't true.

 

[qwer8888]

Wild times we are living, seeing this being posted by a Zorostan.

I'm just glad that Sanji has finally caught up with Zoro in strength and the trio of monsters have returned

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

There is no argument left that can deny Sanji is a more talented Haki user or more skilled in general.

He was already a master chef and martial artist in East Blue. Zoro wouldn’t take on the descriptor of master swordsman until much later.

Sanji demonstrated superior fight IQ and considerable skill in strategy and tactics out of the gate, outsmarting Warlords, Marines and CP9 as a 19 year old rookie.

Where Zoro received training with instructions from Mihawk, Sanji was left to figure it out mostly on his own, and in terms of specialisation, his skills with Observation has always been more impressive than Zoro’s specialisation in Armament.

Sanji has has excellent Armament, but I can’t say the same for Zoro and Observation.

The Wings are equal by design and narrative, but neither really shows up in the page.

What’s Zoros best observation feat? Anticipating a fodder no name attack by dross like Kaku when being half asleep? Lol

 

[L57]

It's so crazy that Zoro dreams about Chopper

and doesnt need swords to beat that bum

 

[ZoroMazino]

Man I miss pre TS Zoro. Testing his luck against Kitetsu's curse, Whiskey Peak, his speech about refusing to take back Usopp unless he apologizes, sacrificing himself to Kuma to save Luffy and taking his damage upon him. Pre TS Zoro was peak writing. Post TS Zoro is just muscle without any lore.

- Zoro being willing to sacrifice himself for Luffy and his crew

-Zoro stepping up as the right-hand man by refusing to let Usopp rejoin unless he apologizes to Luffy

-Zoro pushing himself to the absolute limit in every fight, putting his life on the line every single time

-Zoro swallowing his pride and kneeling before the very man he wanted to surpass just to become stronger

Now :

- i'm the king of hell

 

[nik87]

So, Sanjibros, how do we feel about Sanjino becoming Pirate King's equal already and he aint done powering up yet?

 

[kekaro]

The more whining the more sanji piece for the haters - oda

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Even including the absolute most delusional anti Sanji takes, I genuinely think the WORST take the temple has come up with is that he’s somehow a better deuteragonist than Sasuke lol

They're deadass not even in the same galaxy. Like unironically, I’m out of words to describe how badly Sasuke just obliterates this guy in terms of being a deuteragonist. Even the worst vocabulary cannot describe the gap between them. After this arc, it’s genuinely just funny it was a conversation at one point

@MarineHQ @Fujishiro @soheilhazrat @soupongo @ZenZu @SakazOuki @Shiroyru

 

[kekaro]

Y'all dont understand how wild this is
Sanjis primary occupation and goal is cooking and fishing yet just as a side hustle he is competitive in combat with Luffy and Zoro and he gets more character development than both.

He might as well be the main character.

This is true btw:

Sanji: Smart, has a job (cook), said to by Luffy that he cant pirate king without his strength, smart and strategist of the crew crew
Zoro: "Figter" (Jobless, so are Luffy and Sanji), smelly, and dumb

 

[L57]

- Zoro being willing to sacrifice himself for Luffy and his crew

-Zoro stepping up as the right-hand man by refusing to let Usopp rejoin unless he apologizes to Luffy

-Zoro pushing himself to the absolute limit in every fight, putting his life on the line every single time

-Zoro swallowing his pride and kneeling before the very man he wanted to surpass just to become stronger

Now :

- i'm the king of hell

stay on that side dumb ass gojotard
we getting imu

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Y'all dont understand how wild this is
Sanjis primary occupation and goal is cooking and fishing yet just as a side hustle he is competitive in combat with Luffy and Zoro and he gets more character development than both.

He might as well be the main character.

Oda is just making this shit up panel by panel bro, 100% of Sanji’s “”””””””character development””””””” is just Oda’s random thoughts he has while on the toilet

Character development does not exist in One Piss

 

[Mr. Anderson]

ok, Oda should make Sanji more interesting, more edgy and more looks like a fkn pirate, not a waiter... and i will accept it. Or Oda should make him Okama Queen, it will be so cool, funny and really brave desicion from Oda. But now Sanji looks really awful, less interesting, as he was before time skip. I dont know, how he can have a lot of fans.

Both of your options requires changing Sanji's character/indentity entirely. The Okama Queen option especially would be terrible. How Oda is handling Sanji now is fine as is.

 

[kekaro]

Im noticing that Mihawk couldnt even break zoros Temu Meito without Haki with yoru btw.

@Elder Lee Hung @SakazOuki remember this when roaches act up

 

[ZoroMazino]

stay on that side dumb ass gojotard
we getting imu

Cry dog

Zolo will never be like Wojo

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Oda is just making this shit up panel by panel bro, 100% of Sanji’s “”””””””character development””””””” is just Oda’s random thoughts he has while on the toilet

Character development does not exist in One Piss

Or rather Sanji is the only one he bothers to have character development for, for some reason lol.

Can't really say it's not somewhat coherent because this is now the full pay off of everything he's been through.

It's just sad he doesn't put this effort into Zoro.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Oda is just making this shit up panel by panel bro, 100% of Sanji’s “”””””””character development””””””” is just Oda’s random thoughts he has while on the toilet

Character development does not exist in One Piss

Ngl Sanji is the only one I think Oda puts effort for because he’s managed to tie in a couple hundred chapters of his character arc pretty well

He also embarrasses and uses Sanji as a punching bag because he’s the only SH he bothers to show struggle and actually growing unlike Zoros who’s a gary stu mascot atp and the other are just worthless bums that never grow

 

[kekaro]

Cry dog

Zolo will never be like Wojo

Zoro and hakari share the same va btw.

 

[soheilhazrat]

Even including the absolute most delusional anti Sanji takes, I genuinely think the WORST take the temple has come up with is that he’s somehow a better deuteragonist than Sasuke lol

They're deadass not even in the same galaxy. Like unironically, I’m out of words to describe how badly Sasuke just obliterates this guy in terms of being a deuteragonist. Even the worst vocabulary cannot describe the gap between them. After this arc, it’s genuinely just funny it was a conversation at one point

@MarineHQ @Fujishiro @soheilhazrat @soupongo @ZenZu @SakazOuki @Shiroyru

Sasuke destorys like 95% of op verse character wise, being generous lool
Zolo doesnt stand a chance

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Or rather Sanji is the only one he bothers to have character development for, for some reason lol.

Can't really say it's not somewhat coherent because this is now the full pay off of everything he's been through.

It's just sad he doesn't put this effort into Zoro.

I’m telling you, any good character writing in One Piss is the result of planetary alignment, Oda legit does not have the first fucking clue what he is doing lol

In 30 years of One Piss, I have never seen anyone recognize Sanji’s weakness is that he doesn’t dodge attacks or has no self-love, this shit is just completely made up so Oda could shoe horn a power up that Sanji absolutely has not earned

It’s just proof that Oda will make these characters as strong as he needs them to be, they haven’t earned any of this lmfao. Sometimes when I suspect that Oda is actually a good writer, I remember shit like this and am reminded that all of One Piss’s success was a cosmic accident

 

[Rumble]

stay on that side dumb ass gojotard
we getting imu

Would take him 2 days to get there.