Current Events Oda's stalling is getting more and more shameless
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AINT NO FUCKING WAY YOUR CONCEPT OF "MOVING PLOT FIGHT" IS SIMPLY THE FIGHTERS STACKING PU'S IN SEQUENCE.
Holy shit I thought it was something actually decent, but NO.
"I dont like this fight because characters are not doing gradual powering up back and forth shit".
Holy shit I thought it was something actually decent, but NO.
"I dont like this fight because characters are not doing gradual powering up back and forth shit".
Well, not my problem, feel free to continue defending Oda's writing on here.
I mean it btw, we need multiple points of view.
No offense but I’m kinda confused on why you continue to read One Piece to begin with
I’ve seen you around for years and pretty much all you do is complain
I can’t tell you what to do but I don’t really understand it. If the pacing and content is bad then… why are you still reading it?
When I fall out of love with a series or find it boring I drop it
Just save yourself the trouble
I’ve seen you around for years and pretty much all you do is complain
I can’t tell you what to do but I don’t really understand it. If the pacing and content is bad then… why are you still reading it?
When I fall out of love with a series or find it boring I drop it
Just save yourself the trouble
Probably sunk cost fallacy.
I've been reading OP weekly since 2008 and I own every single volume.
Of course I want it to be good, despite it not sounding like that for years now (although I liked Egghead outside of the finale).
The thing is that when you have been a fan for that long, you still like the manga, but also ruthlessly point out all the flaws/bs writing, because you're secure enough to not base your own self worth on one of your favorite fictional works getting praised by others.
In short: I still like OP, but I personally think the quality of Oda's writing has been on a decline for a long while now.
I've been reading OP weekly since 2008 and I own every single volume.
Of course I want it to be good, despite it not sounding like that for years now (although I liked Egghead outside of the finale).
The thing is that when you have been a fan for that long, you still like the manga, but also ruthlessly point out all the flaws/bs writing, because you're secure enough to not base your own self worth on one of your favorite fictional works getting praised by others.
In short: I still like OP, but I personally think the quality of Oda's writing has been on a decline for a long while now.
Do you re-read the arcs once they are complete btw? I do that for my fav arcs, and it's a much better experience on a binge read.
Also you say "no plot for 17 chapters", but Sanji & Zoro finally unlocking/mastering CoC IS plot. It is necessary for the future arcs. Elbaph is kind of a CoC arc, there's a lot of emphasis on it, both in GV and Harald FB, as well as Gaban explaining how to deal with HK.... So even though I agree with you that OP is slow, weekly release+ breaks make it feel even slower, and god do I hate G5 with all my might, it's still an entertaining story. And surely pre-TS fights were more impactful (I legit hated the last leg of Luffy vs Kaido once the G5 was revealed), but in a nutshell it still followed the same formula.
Chapter 194-195 has Zoro thinking how to cut steel
And then Zoro still has that inner dialogue
And then you have the same "Zoro figuring new power out" in 1193
Also you say "no plot for 17 chapters", but Sanji & Zoro finally unlocking/mastering CoC IS plot. It is necessary for the future arcs. Elbaph is kind of a CoC arc, there's a lot of emphasis on it, both in GV and Harald FB, as well as Gaban explaining how to deal with HK.... So even though I agree with you that OP is slow, weekly release+ breaks make it feel even slower, and god do I hate G5 with all my might, it's still an entertaining story. And surely pre-TS fights were more impactful (I legit hated the last leg of Luffy vs Kaido once the G5 was revealed), but in a nutshell it still followed the same formula.
Chapter 194-195 has Zoro thinking how to cut steel
And then Zoro still has that inner dialogue
And then you have the same "Zoro figuring new power out" in 1193
Elbaph mentioned and hyped since Little Garden.
The "viking/norse" setting of a story that was INSPIRED by these tales.
Oda had a boner for Wano because "yay, japan". But as far as OP goes, Elbaph is THE MOST important island we've visited so far.
And people are MAD we are here longer?
Are mofos gonna complain about Xebec and Harald's backstory as well?
Ain't no way, dude.
I didnt see this much complaining when we had 10 chapters in a row of RoofPiece while an entire war was going on downstais with 0 updates whatsoever.
The "viking/norse" setting of a story that was INSPIRED by these tales.
Oda had a boner for Wano because "yay, japan". But as far as OP goes, Elbaph is THE MOST important island we've visited so far.
And people are MAD we are here longer?
Are mofos gonna complain about Xebec and Harald's backstory as well?
Ain't no way, dude.
I didnt see this much complaining when we had 10 chapters in a row of RoofPiece while an entire war was going on downstais with 0 updates whatsoever.
People complained about WCI plot getting stalled and dragged on.
Later on Oda confessed that WCI was intended to last only a year or so but it got dragged because he was putting more ideas into the story as arc progressed.
Same thing with wano.
Obviously most of the complaints come from weekly readers who are into one piece for a long time and it definitely plays a role but it's nothing to do with content itself. It's about spreading the content over multiple chapters which otherwise could have been done in 1 or 2 chapters.
Another problem is it leaves some of the important sub plots unresolved or rushed.
I would give WCI example once again.
Oda intended to finish WCI in a year. He has to communicate the timeline of finishing the volume to WSJ. It has to be done in a reasonable time window.
He extended the deadline as he was expanding the story by adding new ideas and sub plots into the arc.
But even the new deadline wasn't enough to wrap up WCI due to so many sub plots left to get addressed so he rushed the ending leaving few things unexplained or unresolved to finish WCI before the deadline.
During wano, Oda expanded the world building and some plots so much that by the time we reached near end, oda had to leave to few sub plots unresolved. Kaido's backstory, Zoro past, ending of Wano and so on.
And, yes oda admitted that he's aware of all the numbers stuff. He tries not to focus on them but there are so many things which have some sort of number connections that it's fair to assume that oda do some things based on it including chapter number landmark if he finds it meaningful
I would give WCI example once again.
Oda intended to finish WCI in a year. He has to communicate the timeline of finishing the volume to WSJ. It has to be done in a reasonable time window.
He extended the deadline as he was expanding the story by adding new ideas and sub plots into the arc.
But even the new deadline wasn't enough to wrap up WCI due to so many sub plots left to get addressed so he rushed the ending leaving few things unexplained or unresolved to finish WCI before the deadline.
During wano, Oda expanded the world building and some plots so much that by the time we reached near end, oda had to leave to few sub plots unresolved. Kaido's backstory, Zoro past, ending of Wano and so on.
And, yes oda admitted that he's aware of all the numbers stuff. He tries not to focus on them but there are so many things which have some sort of number connections that it's fair to assume that oda do some things based on it including chapter number landmark if he finds it meaningful
If we theorize that Oda will do something big in 1200,its because the story has elements to think so!
-We're now in a point with the Zoro and Sanji's fight almost over (HOPEFULLY they both wrap up next chapter)
-And there is Biblo with his box,that apparently contains something important for the battle with Imu
So we can imagine that in 3 chapters,maybe we will see Nika with a strong weapon,that may defeat Imu or at least doing something badass against him
-We're now in a point with the Zoro and Sanji's fight almost over (HOPEFULLY they both wrap up next chapter)
-And there is Biblo with his box,that apparently contains something important for the battle with Imu
So we can imagine that in 3 chapters,maybe we will see Nika with a strong weapon,that may defeat Imu or at least doing something badass against him
Elbaf had decently quick pacing throughout the arc and has only slowed down now to focus on Zoro and Sanji defeating Killingham and Sommer.
DirtyLarry is correct that the other plotlines haven't moved forward in the last 17 chapters. But Sanji and Zoro learning CoC has had a steady pace.
The other plotlines probably arent going to speed up until he is finished with them.
DirtyLarry is correct that the other plotlines haven't moved forward in the last 17 chapters. But Sanji and Zoro learning CoC has had a steady pace.
The other plotlines probably arent going to speed up until he is finished with them.
Cope
Oda is on a record doing this since chapter 1
he litterarly decided on the fly that there should be fewer Warlords but said they are 7 because it sounded cooler for example when he drew the chapter, and they are countless other example of this in arcs themself oda talked about
You guys reaching the conclusion first without reasoning and it sounds insane to any longtime weekly reader or someone with background knowledge
Oda is on a record doing this since chapter 1
he litterarly decided on the fly that there should be fewer Warlords but said they are 7 because it sounded cooler for example when he drew the chapter, and they are countless other example of this in arcs themself oda talked about
You guys reaching the conclusion first without reasoning and it sounds insane to any longtime weekly reader or someone with background knowledge
I love the focus Sanji is getting but there is a fine line between taking your time and stalling. And Oda is stalling at any given time.
What he is doing with Sanji and Zoro isn't even the worst example, the pacing of Loki/Luffy vs Imu is awful. Such a boring fight, they just keep losing and coming back.
What he is doing with Sanji and Zoro isn't even the worst example, the pacing of Loki/Luffy vs Imu is awful. Such a boring fight, they just keep losing and coming back.
People were whining pre-elbaf (and to some extend, imo, justified) that we were not getting chapters with negative space and taking their time like Pre-ts, especially in fights, and everything was cluttered + full of reaction panels
Now we get this in elbaf with zoros and especially in sanjis fight and they are bitching again
Mostly the same people too, you guys are tweaking
Some people just drop the stuff its ok to not like things anymore @Welkin
Now we get this in elbaf with zoros and especially in sanjis fight and they are bitching again
Mostly the same people too, you guys are tweaking
Some people just drop the stuff its ok to not like things anymore @Welkin
Yeah, Oda's been showing that IMU is strong and they aren't on his level.
Loki vs IMU didnt last that much chapters.
Luffy vs IMU didnt even last long either. It lasted for like 3 chapters, then Luffy lost and almost died, Gaban saved him, loki and Harujin comes in a chapter later and they do Ikoku, then luffy and Loki do a combination attack.
Now its been Zoro and Sanji vs the Holy Knights since with breaks inbetween lol.
Loki vs IMU didnt last that much chapters.
Luffy vs IMU didnt even last long either. It lasted for like 3 chapters, then Luffy lost and almost died, Gaban saved him, loki and Harujin comes in a chapter later and they do Ikoku, then luffy and Loki do a combination attack.
Now its been Zoro and Sanji vs the Holy Knights since with breaks inbetween lol.
Complaining about Imu being a stall after Doflamingo and Kaido doesn't make sense. And Egghead was literally an arcs of stalls: Seraphim not defeated, Gorosei not defeated, Kizaru not defeated... even Lucci got up the same chapter that Luffy knocked him out and Jinbe had to hand out a decision in the fight with Zoro.