General & Others Elbaf Compared to Marineford, Enies Lobby, and Sabaody?
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We have a shit villain in Imu, who doesn't belong in comparison to Akainu, Kizaru or Lucci
The Holy Knights barely got to do anything fun post flashback, just got to Regen and "omen", which is boring
The giants suck
Flashback was fine I guess(besides God Valley being a huge disappointment, lore wise), but adding a second flashback for Brook was not a good idea
Asspull Nika/God power centered arc, that Oda didn't build up for the first thousand chapters
The Holy Knights barely got to do anything fun post flashback, just got to Regen and "omen", which is boring
The giants suck
Flashback was fine I guess(besides God Valley being a huge disappointment, lore wise), but adding a second flashback for Brook was not a good idea
Asspull Nika/God power centered arc, that Oda didn't build up for the first thousand chapters
It's effective for what it needed to accomplish. To have all those top tiers in one place, to give most of them at least one panel of spotlight, to explore WB's character, and to let Luffy's own narrative trajectory blend in organically without detracting from all the chaos going around him, and to be able to introduce two more groups (BBPs and RPs) that shake everything up in rapid succession, and keep it all cohesive (for what we knew then about the worldbuilding), and within such a tight number of chapters is an achievement current Oda could never replicate, nor can I think of any other shounen mangaka currently active that could come close to it, for better or worse.
Never been a fan of Enies Lobby aside from a few key moments because the main villain had all the personality of a corpse, and Oda was lazy with spamming the same powers that every single one of them had. I only liked some moments like burning the flag and awakening of strawhat abilities. There were too many joke fights.
Lucci got the treatment he deserved by getting back to back beat downs by Luffy and Zoro.
Sabaody was fairly peak for a lot of reasons, it was the setup for the most important plot devices in the manga, celestial dragons, haki, new world etc. Also introduced the worst generation. The only arc touching Sabaody would be Alabasta.
I don't think it's fair to compare Marineford because the only straw hat to make an appearance was Luffy so it was like reading another manga, the whitebeards were nerfed to the ground and Oda didn't actually explain most of what was going on.
So final ranking would be:
1. Sabaody
2. Elbaf
3. Enies Lobby
Marineford is just a separate entity comparable to flashback chapters.
Lucci got the treatment he deserved by getting back to back beat downs by Luffy and Zoro.
Sabaody was fairly peak for a lot of reasons, it was the setup for the most important plot devices in the manga, celestial dragons, haki, new world etc. Also introduced the worst generation. The only arc touching Sabaody would be Alabasta.
I don't think it's fair to compare Marineford because the only straw hat to make an appearance was Luffy so it was like reading another manga, the whitebeards were nerfed to the ground and Oda didn't actually explain most of what was going on.
So final ranking would be:
1. Sabaody
2. Elbaf
3. Enies Lobby
Marineford is just a separate entity comparable to flashback chapters.
Not even close at the moment.
- Oda fumbled Imu’s intro with how dragged out it’s been.
- the retcons and poorly handled abilities like Domi Reversi, the HK regen, etc make things messy.
- the repetitive elements just weaken emotional impact (another princess in distress, rulers getting tricked by the WG, etc)
- the poor structure of the arc with the way the flashback within the flashback was thrown in.
- the mess that is the God Valley incident, making the likes of Whitebeard look like an utter moron, the Shakky nonsense, etc
- the other Strawhats besides the M3 getting sidelined once again.
Any good elements don’t make up for the problems, especially with the arc already at 70+ chapters
- Oda fumbled Imu’s intro with how dragged out it’s been.
- the retcons and poorly handled abilities like Domi Reversi, the HK regen, etc make things messy.
- the repetitive elements just weaken emotional impact (another princess in distress, rulers getting tricked by the WG, etc)
- the poor structure of the arc with the way the flashback within the flashback was thrown in.
- the mess that is the God Valley incident, making the likes of Whitebeard look like an utter moron, the Shakky nonsense, etc
- the other Strawhats besides the M3 getting sidelined once again.
Any good elements don’t make up for the problems, especially with the arc already at 70+ chapters
