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Yo Tan Wa
I don't find it worth anymore to get into Onepiece debates. Bt if you want a reason, i will redirect you Luffy fights against SCs n Doffy.
If Zoro is already stronger than King, its better Oda skip that fight thn. That's no fun.
If Zoro is already stronger than King, its better Oda skip that fight thn. That's no fun.
Cinera
@Topi Jerami if Luffy and Sanji didn't lose their Enies Lobby power ups, why would Zoro lose his? Who should Zoro have showed Asura against? None of his completed fights were against opponents on his level.
This is like asking Luffy to have showed G4 against Hody or Caesar. It would have been underwhelming.
This is like asking Luffy to have showed G4 against Hody or Caesar. It would have been underwhelming.
Finalbeta
Zoro's CoA > Luffy's CoA, Luffy's CoO > Zoro's CoO
Topi Jerami
At this point it's not surprise anymore if suddenly Zoro pulls Asura in middle of Wano then still got destroyed. Forget that triple AP theory. It's clear Oda doesn't care about OP powerlevel, not even a one third as you guys care about it.
Finalbeta
Asura was probably mastered so comparing it to G4 is not that bad because Asura Zoro could low diff non Asura Zoro pre ts
Cinera
> If Zoro is already stronger than King, its better Oda skip that fight thn. That's no fun.
Zoro has been stronger than most of his opponents in the series. I still found his fights plenty enjoyable despite that. I expect King to be above Santoryu Zoro and be beating him, then Zoro brings out Asura and wins.
Zoro has been stronger than most of his opponents in the series. I still found his fights plenty enjoyable despite that. I expect King to be above Santoryu Zoro and be beating him, then Zoro brings out Asura and wins.
Cinera
> It's clear Oda doesn't care about OP powerlevel, not even a one third as you guys care about it.
This is true. However, Oda does care about the story. Demonstrating a power up for the first time only to get destroyed is not that satisfying a story. I think the below is unlikely for those reasons:
> if suddenly Zoro pulls Asura in middle of Wano then still got destroyed.
This is true. However, Oda does care about the story. Demonstrating a power up for the first time only to get destroyed is not that satisfying a story. I think the below is unlikely for those reasons:
> if suddenly Zoro pulls Asura in middle of Wano then still got destroyed.
Topi Jerami
@Cinera ok Asura will still appear, but it won't be nowhere as special as you guys think about it. If I said "Zoro will faint in Wano after single stab" back before Wano happened I will get bullied. Then it happened. After what happened in EB and TB. Oda doesn't care anymore about consistency
Cinera
> Zoro will faint in Wano after single stab
This happened for plot though? If Zoro had never fainted:
* He would have chased after Gyukimaru to retrieve Shusui.
* He would have never met Hiyori and Otoko.
* He would have never witnessed Yasuie's execution.
* He would have never attacked Orochi.
* He would have never sworn to avenge Yasuie.
* He would have never received Enma.
This happened for plot though? If Zoro had never fainted:
* He would have chased after Gyukimaru to retrieve Shusui.
* He would have never met Hiyori and Otoko.
* He would have never witnessed Yasuie's execution.
* He would have never attacked Orochi.
* He would have never sworn to avenge Yasuie.
* He would have never received Enma.
Cinera
@Topi Jerami Oda sacrificing power levels consistency for the plot is nothing new. Zoro fainting against Killer was just the first time it happened to Zoro, but he ultimately needed to faint for the plot to advance.
Cinera
I don't think the plot requires him to nerf Asura. I'm not even arguing that Asura provides 3x AP or 360 degree vision, or greater range or anything else. I'm arguing that when Zoro finally debuts a power up that Oda hid for 400+ chapters, that power up would not be underwhelming. It would not fail to deliver. Zoro would not get stomped despite it. He would eventually triumph.
Cinera
I think such narrative arguments are particularly robust in a world like One Piece where the story always comes first and the author doesn't particularly care about powerscaling.
Akai2
AntiWank Legend @Topi Jerami Senpai and Zoro Wank Legend @Cinera going at it, I love it. Better than Marineford.
Finalbeta
And proud to be as well ~
Dark Admiral
If he faces King, he should be stronger than him. Him having Enma which has helped him train his haki in more advanced way of a swordsman should help him in so.
However, there’s a part of me that would like to deny that fact as the gap between Pre Wano Zoro and King was no joke to be covered so quickly with some magical “haki stealing Sword”..!!
However, there’s a part of me that would like to deny that fact as the gap between Pre Wano Zoro and King was no joke to be covered so quickly with some magical “haki stealing Sword”..!!
Finalbeta
@Dark Admiral yes indeed, imagine having him do a second training and not even be able to defeat King :P
Cinera
@Dark Admiral pre Wano Zoro was already really strong. He had still yet to use Asura.
Well no, imo Asura is being treated as Sogeking. Awesome stuffs that made their debut in Ennies Lobby, then appeared once again, but now they're non existent post TS. Oda already forgot them.