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critical mindset

You don't have the timeframe over which the water bullet pierces the guy. Divide by the time and it passes like fucking instantly. These people doing clown calculations

Finalbeta

Lol Erkan was mentioned again at last

Xione

1. Jinbei likely beating Jack this arc is headcanon. This arc isn't Strawhat pirates vs Beast Pirates. It's an alliance vs alliance. There are more important characters than Jinbei for the story of Wano that have an issue with Jack.

2. Jinbei's strongest attack, Vagabond Drill, was put in the same light as Sanji's non-RS hells memories. Overhyping him cause he hit it on Big Mom to push her back isn't gonna changeit

Finalbeta

By the way I can't wait to find out what Oda has in store for Hancock and Doflamingo

silverfire

Argh. Sorry but I hate doing this in profile posts.

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critical mindset

Correction @Xione Jimbei's strongest attack is his neg-diffing Hody Jones island shattering watershot. Much correction!

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critical mindset

And his vagabond drill stopped and deflated Wadatsumi. Sanji kicked a deflated Wadatsumi. Much difference! Oda gave Sanji his little pityfuck finishing touch so he could look good until Vergo came along

Finalbeta

Cinera is a profile posts lord so he does all here :DD

Cinera

@critical mindset you can assume the watershot travelled at Mach 50 (way too high), it would still not be anything compared to the Yoru slash. You'd need the water shot to have travelled at relativistic speeds for it to be in the same order of magnitude as the iceberg slash. I think you just don't understand the scale involved here.

silverfire

Doffy-Jozu vs apoo-Zoro-Luffy is a good way to call us Doffy wankers out on our kool-aid. I’m tempted to say that Luffy usually makes a poor showing against someone weak at the beginning of a battle arc, but that’d just be a weak excuse.

Cinera

@critical mindset Island shattering is insane wank. The wateshot is being wanked nonsensically. It's a bullet that weighs a few grams if even that. The speeds it needs to reach before it's DC becomes impressive are ludicrously crazy. A bullet piercing through rock formations while crazy doesn't compare to slicing through a mountain.

silverfire

What makes the Jozu situation worse is that Doffy immobilized him and then sat on him while carrying out a casual conversation. Apoo hits and runs against characters stronger than himself, that’s his style. But overall, that scene in isolation isn’t enough to put Doffy > Jozu

Cinera

> Doffy-Jozu vs apoo-Zoro-Luffy is a good way to call us Doffy wankers out on our kool-aid.

Awakening was always the biggest point in Doffy's favour. Without awakening he was seemingly a level above Law (who should be stronger than Urouge (and by extension Snack and other YC 4 level characters)), and awakening was a massive boost to his abilities.

silverfire

Back to context and portrayal, Doffy has had consistent showings since his intro that he’s a big gun. His feats all across Marineford, ph and Dressrossa add up to him being stronger than Cracker/Jozu and with higher hype. Apoo’s portrayal has been consistently lower than the top supernovas. The Doffy haters think we fixate on the Jozu scene. In reality it’s one funny scene that’s a piece of a larger puzzle.

Xione

Sanji & Jinbei vs Wadatsumi:

You had the stronger ones Luffy & Zoro doing their 1v1s. While the two weaker than them teamed up together. Then we have the arrangement of attacks at the end: Blizzard slice -> Impact Wolf -> Monster Chopper's Palm -> Franky's Radical Beam -> Vagabond Drill -> Hell Memories -> Purgatory Oni Giri

Xione

@critical mindset homie you didn't correct jackshit. Jinbei's strongest attack is Vagabond drill not a damn watershot lmao.

Xione

In fact this scenario with Apoo that Cinera is applying to Doffy/Jozu situation is best applied to Jinbei.

-> He got ragdolled sent flying by a weakened Big Mom who couldn't even use Haki. Dude got lucky he landed in water.
-> Then thanks to the water he was able to distract BM for a sec
-> Thanks to that distraction he hit her with a vagbond drill that bypasses outter durability, thus able to push her back.

Cinera

@Xione nah. Jinbe vs Big Mom is completely different. Jinbe doesn't have a hax ability that's incredibly hard to dodge and he didn't really catch Big Mom off guard.

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critical mindset

It depends on the weight of the droplet as well which we don't know but it is much higher than regular water lol. The weight of the droplet is an unknonw in this equation so it doesn't need to approach those relativistic speeds.

Xione

Has he shown any CQC that's on par with the Yonko Commanders? No sir, in fact his CQC is on par with a non- G4 FMI luffy if we're going by what's shown so far. Unless maybe somebody saw something that I missed regarding his YC level CQC.