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Cinera
I don't think Zoro learned advanced COA through his Enma training, but his hardening and ryuo would have grown even stronger. I think I'll bet on them over Luffy's.
Yo Tan Wa
Pica is Veteran and Zoro Haki could still be much better bt only overcoming Pica Haki is indeed a point against Zoro.
Zoro CoA >Doffy n even Cracker, why?
Enma was familiar, that do roughly translats to why Zoro got used to Enma sword quickly.
Boa sistrs can use Ryou, don't see their Haki being bettr pre Udon Luffy?
Maybe coz L CoO was already quite good n right guidance from Rayleigh.
Zoro CoA >Doffy n even Cracker, why?
Enma was familiar, that do roughly translats to why Zoro got used to Enma sword quickly.
Boa sistrs can use Ryou, don't see their Haki being bettr pre Udon Luffy?
Maybe coz L CoO was already quite good n right guidance from Rayleigh.
Yo Tan Wa
If Kawa Ryou Haki makes Kawa CoA > pre Udon Luffy CoA for you, why doesn't Luffy Penetrative Haki make it >Zoro CoA for you?
Cinera
> overcoming Pica Haki is indeed a point against Zoro.
Nah. It's not an anti feat. Zoro hasn't failed to overcome Pica's haki. Mihawk hasn't overcome anyone's haki; is that a feat against him? Complaining that the strongest haki Zoro overcame isn't that strong is not a mark against Zoro. Not unless there are people who's haki he's failed to overcome.
Nah. It's not an anti feat. Zoro hasn't failed to overcome Pica's haki. Mihawk hasn't overcome anyone's haki; is that a feat against him? Complaining that the strongest haki Zoro overcame isn't that strong is not a mark against Zoro. Not unless there are people who's haki he's failed to overcome.
Cinera
> Zoro CoA >Doffy n even Cracker, why?
The black tendrils on his blade when he uses hardening. Roger and WB had them (albeit much bigger) during their clash.
The black tendrils on his blade when he uses hardening. Roger and WB had them (albeit much bigger) during their clash.
Cinera
> Boa sistrs can use Ryou, don't see their Haki being bettr pre Udon Luffy?
This is a very good point. I can't say Kawa's COA is stronger just because he could use Ryuo when Luffy couldn't. But it also means that just because Luffy is more skilled with ryuo than Zoro we can't say his haki is stronger.
This is a very good point. I can't say Kawa's COA is stronger just because he could use Ryuo when Luffy couldn't. But it also means that just because Luffy is more skilled with ryuo than Zoro we can't say his haki is stronger.
Yo Tan Wa
Lack of feats and when other has good ones n against Much stronger opponents is indeed a point in Luffy favour and against Zoro, Cinera. Luffy overcame Stronger Haki's, Zoro haven't yet.
Cinera
I think Kawa's COA was stronger because he was a high tier proficient in ryuo and was still in his prime. Luffy's COA wasn't stronger than Cracker, and I think Kawa's COA is.
Cinera
> point in Luffy favour and against Zoro, Cinera. Luffy overcame Stronger Haki's,
A point in Luffy's favour, but not a point against Zoro. Or else do you think Liffy has stronger COA than Mihawk?
Besides, Luffy's COA wasn't stated to be stronger than Doffy or Cracker (it was outright stated to be significantly weaker than Katakuri), he just overcame them to Boundman's overwhelming power.
A point in Luffy's favour, but not a point against Zoro. Or else do you think Liffy has stronger COA than Mihawk?
Besides, Luffy's COA wasn't stated to be stronger than Doffy or Cracker (it was outright stated to be significantly weaker than Katakuri), he just overcame them to Boundman's overwhelming power.
Cinera
> Luffy Penetrative Haki make it >Zoro CoA for you?
Actually it kind of did. I said Post Udon Luffy's COA > Pre Enma Zoro's COA. I just don't know how strong Zoro's COA is after Enma.
Actually it kind of did. I said Post Udon Luffy's COA > Pre Enma Zoro's COA. I just don't know how strong Zoro's COA is after Enma.
Cinera
> Enma was familiar, that do roughly translats to why Zoro got used to Enma sword quickly.
This is a fair point.
This is a fair point.
Yo Tan Wa
Kawa proficient in Ryou n still in Prime doesn't make His CoA haki>Luffy. If Boa Sister are in their Prime, >Luffy CoA.
Oh Yes Luffy didn't overcame Cracker Haki directly n same against Katakuri, infact it was hinted Luffy Haki was weaker in comparison, hence i dont buy Zoro CoA>.
Oh Yes Luffy didn't overcame Cracker Haki directly n same against Katakuri, infact it was hinted Luffy Haki was weaker in comparison, hence i dont buy Zoro CoA>.
Cinera
@Yo Tan Wa I think Kawa COA > Cracker's COA.
IMO Kawa's COA > Cracker's COA >= Luffy's COA.
The Boa Sisters were not high tiers. You completely ignored that part. Kawa is a high tier and should be close to Cracker.
IMO Kawa's COA > Cracker's COA >= Luffy's COA.
The Boa Sisters were not high tiers. You completely ignored that part. Kawa is a high tier and should be close to Cracker.
Yo Tan Wa
As for Haki tendrills, i think it is related to Ryou Haki, and Zoro has it. Bt Katakuri doesn't have it, n i am pretty sure his HaKI> Kawamatsu, Hyogoro, Boa Sisters or any other users that are proficient in Ryou.
Bt yes it's fare point, that could hint higher Haki. Overflowing Haki, bt again that's how Zoro can do big slashes, and not every swordman can.
Bt yes it's fare point, that could hint higher Haki. Overflowing Haki, bt again that's how Zoro can do big slashes, and not every swordman can.
Cinera
If he's close to Cracker and can use Ryuo very proficiently while Cracker can't, then his COA should be stronger.
Yo Tan Wa
>Actually it kind of did. I said Post Udon Luffy's COA > Pre Enma Zoro's COA. I just don't know how strong Zoro's COA is after Enma.
Unless You believe Zoro learnt Penetrative Haki after Enma training, which you above hinted as didn't. You are not following your own logic here. If having higher form of Haki means better Haki, Luffy undoubtedly should have better Haki than Zoro.
Unless You believe Zoro learnt Penetrative Haki after Enma training, which you above hinted as didn't. You are not following your own logic here. If having higher form of Haki means better Haki, Luffy undoubtedly should have better Haki than Zoro.
Finalbeta
Of course it is lol Zoro undertook two haki trainings, Luffy just one :P
Cinera
Well the Boa Sisters are several leagues below Kata, so his haki can be much stronger than them.
Kata is also much stronger than Kawa, so his haki might be even stronger than Kawa. However, it's IMO possible Kawa has stronger haki.
Kata is also much stronger than Kawa, so his haki might be even stronger than Kawa. However, it's IMO possible Kawa has stronger haki.
Finalbeta
Not to mention the Grandmaster has always been a CoA specialist
Cinera
@Yo Tan Wa I didn't say Post Enma Zoro's COA > Post Udon Luffy's COA. I just refused to rate Post Enma Zoro's COA.
COA was the only thing Zoro gained from his Enma training, and we have no idea how strong it is now. I'm simply holding off on rating him. Post Udon Luffy's COA might be above Post Enma Zoro's COA, but we don't know yet how strong Post Enma Zoro's COA is.
COA was the only thing Zoro gained from his Enma training, and we have no idea how strong it is now. I'm simply holding off on rating him. Post Udon Luffy's COA might be above Post Enma Zoro's COA, but we don't know yet how strong Post Enma Zoro's COA is.