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  • How great is Kouen's understanding of warfare?
    Xione
    Xione
    On a large scale campaign? Less than Riboku's.
    On an actual battlefied? Higher than Riboku's.

    Unless understanding of warfare is purely about strategical, then less than Riboku's. But it's about utilizing martial prowess + your strategical prowess in conquering warfare, then yea higher than Riboku's imo. I think there will just be a substantial experience gap between Riboku and Kouen.
    Post-Han: Shin becomes GG (tho might get skipped)
    Post-Riboku's fall: Shin becomes Qin 6

    The Qin 6 moment is gonna be a heavy burden moment for Shin, where him and Riboku would have had a meaningful conversation about the unification and the future of China along with the potential risks. Shin will finally dawn upon the Ouki role at that point.
    I have no idea how folks thinks any Yonko or Admiral is beating a Gorosei, when they have no known counters to their immortality.
    If the argument is "remove the regen hax", you might as well should just remove the DFs from DF users too.
    Xione
    Xione
    You're still again talking about a minor individual in the grand scheme of things. The moment Luffy became a top tier, aka somebody of high relevance, they figured out his DF. And killing the user would work, decapitating Luffy would've ended everything.
    soupongo
    soupongo
    I feel like we could still kind of call Luffy minor before Wano if we ignored Marineford. But he was openly using his fruit powers to free Ace in front of the whole world. And sure, if you decapitated Luffy he wouldn´t awaken... but that´s not what they ordered. They just asked for Luffy to be killed, which kind of shows a poor understanding of awakenings...
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    Jailer
    Haki
    A rather belated message, but welcome back.

    I tried to glance on your profile about a month and a half ago and saw that your account got bricked. Thought you ate a perm for some reason but guess not.
    Kong: "The WG has ordered to search all the places Roger has connections to find and kill all potential candidates for Roger's child!!"
    Fandom: BITCHASS BUMGOKU ORDERING THE DEATHS OF PREGNANT WOMEN AND BABIES

    Sengoku: ..... Bruh?

    PS: We've never seen Sengoku as Fleet Admiral during his prime in the entire manga, only pre-TS few months before retiring.
    Now I need to contemplate on which underdog fandom to side (Swordtards and admiraltards are the majority now) with before inflation hits.
    Removing the last of my stocks from the "SWORD fandom". All swordsmen are bashed on or used to just prop up Dracule + Deep throating of Wano's ancient hobo. Disgusting behavior.

    Rehashed Kaidotard arguments used like sheepish parroting of WSS.
    Retiring from Admiral Fandom, Garp and Sengoku disrespect + using other marines as just tools to prop up Akainu + Deep throating Teach's YC2 over legit marines is disgusting behavior.

    Too many rehashed yonkotard arguments being used with marines characters.
    Not gone be surprised if it's revealed Saka was Sengoku's protege.

    - Cunning
    - Strategists
    - Both willing to use Warlords
    - SWORD connection
    - Using Saka to carry out the Squardo plan
    - Sengoku trolling around with Akainu and teasing him about how hard it's to be FA.

    Which would make Sengoku recommending Kuzan over Saka, due to knowing his own student's ideals and/or temperament very well, pretty deep.
    Sir Yasheen
    Sir Yasheen
    Sengoku seems more like he mentored Kizaru. The two share fighting style similarities because they both regularly use palm strikes rather than punches or kicks in conjunction with their fruit powers. Plus with Sengoku and Kizarus justice both involving that their roles are cogs of the WG machine to keep the status quo, it makes sense how Kizaru gained his unclear justice from Sengokus reigning justice.
    Look at how much Oda butchered post TS Chopper's character. If it was pre TS Chopper, I think people including you would agree to equal him with Roger's Shanks and Buggy, Kaido's Jack, or Whitebeard's Ace.
    Xione
    Xione
    He's 17, Luffy's 19. With him also being the doctor of the crew. Chopper's just gullible/naive so he seems younger than he actually is. And would be weird for a pirate only 1 month in to have an apprentice ahah.

    The primary reason for Bonney is the sheer fact she's the only one capable of replicating Luffy's peak powers. Luffy also having already guided her a bit in utliizing those powers.
    All three current admirals are swordsmen.
    2 of the emperors were swordsmen (Mamu and Shanks).
    The PK and the Dark King were swordsmen.
    Shiki and Captain John were swordsmen.
    Xebec was a swordsman.
    2 of the Gorosei are now swordsmen.

    There are more swordsmen top tiers than there are other type of fighters.

    Then there's the WSS.

    Is this Mihawk agenda or ...
    Johnny B. Decent
    Johnny B. Decent
    This has nothing to do with anything, but I feel like Roger should have been a fist fighter like Garp and Luffy.
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    mly90
    mly90
    It’s not agenda Mihawk and Ryuma are on entirety different level to any swordsman in history. There is reason why so many fandoms come together to downplay and belittle Mihawk his title😎
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    Xione
    Xione
    @mly90 Dont compare the hobo from Wano to real swordsmen.
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    how would you rate the Gorosei in how much you like them?
    TheKnightOfTheSea
    TheKnightOfTheSea
    I get the opposite impression tbh. Warcury seems more humane and empathetic to "regular people". Mars seems the most devoted to Imu, Saturn was the most extreme

    Peter is the most unsure and nervous. He's constantly sweating

    Nusjuro seems rather emotionless and practical
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    Xione
    Xione
    Why do you think Warcury is more empathic to normal people?
    TheKnightOfTheSea
    TheKnightOfTheSea
    He commented on how it was a shame that Jinbe left the warlords because of what it meant for racial harmony

    He brought up the civilians to Imu when he wanted to destroy the Lulusia kingdom.

    In general he's the god of justice. Also expressed concern about the navy reputation because of Kuzan

    He and Peter never once used the term "insects"

    Peter saving the Marines and cipher pol is interesting too
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    Big Mamu and Kaido are the best written arc villains of One Piece. And better written than the likes of Obito, Madara, Nagato as well. Even if I think Kaido and Mamu are the weakest from admirals/yonko. Only villain matching up to them would be Doffy but i think he just doesn't have the quantity to match them, none of the pre-TS chumps have writing anywhere near the shit Oda invested into those three.
    Predictions for the upcoming big battles:

    BBP vs RHP + Cross Guild, BBP become biggest pirate threat in history
    BBP vs SHP, luffys big pirate fight
    Luffy vs Smoker, luffys big Marine fight (could happen earlier or later)
    Tashigi vs Zoro, Tashigi gets some development.
    Sabo/Zoro/?/?/? Vs Gorosei
    Dragon, Luffy, Garp Vs Imu, Luffy finishes the job
    Teach vs Luffy
    Shiryuu vs Roronoa
    Kuzan vs Smoker
    Devon vs Yamato

    The 4 fights I'm confident will take place in the BBP vs SHP matchup. Smoker allying to continue the trend of taking on traitor marines who hurt his underlings.
    Yamato should join up the SHPs by then, for a mythical zoan vs mythical zoan DF clash against Devon.
    Brush D. Teeth
    Brush D. Teeth
    I didn't think about Yamato vs Devon, but they are both mythical dog fruits. About Smoker, which subordinate did Aokiji hurt?
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    Xione
    Xione
    Hibari and Koby. Tashigi implied they have a connection with Koby, I'm assuming all the SWORD members are connected with Smoker, even if he isn't part of the SWORD. Oda also implied Garp-Smoker connection in an interview.

    Yea same DFs, plus Nami/Robin just not built like that combat wise. Devon, imo, is essentially a stronger version of what BM was under Rocks.
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