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ShishioIsBack
ShishioIsBack
I am starting to consider that "low top tier Rayleigh" situation nonsense, Rayleigh, Sengoku and Garp are still on very same level as Yonko and admirals and can give them extreme diff fight
@Cinera @Admiral Lee Hung
ShishioIsBack
ShishioIsBack
ShishioIsBack
ShishioIsBack
Cinera
Cinera
@Admiral Lee Hung: Yeah, Rayleigh was a man of a much greater standing than the other Yonkou. His infamy absolutely shat on them. His presence in the world was so great that even decades into his retirement (he'd just been drinking and whoring around) Garp compared taking him on to taking on WB himself.

The Dark King must have been an absolute terror in his hey day.
ShishioIsBack
ShishioIsBack
Its funny because even if we try to chalk Ray's infamy to Roger, neither Oden who was sailed with Roger and Whitebeard during their hey day or Marco have 1/10th of Ray's infamy.

Plus Luffy's accomplishments have never boosted Zoro's bounty, even when he became the 5th emperor @Admiral Lee Hung
Elder Lee Hung
Elder Lee Hung
@ShishioIsBack well, if old Ray and Kaido are both top tiers then they are on the same level. Lol
ShishioIsBack
ShishioIsBack
No like old Ray gives Kaido an extreme diff fight and stands a chance against him is what I meant @Admiral Lee Hung
Cinera
Cinera
> I am starting to consider that "low top tier Rayleigh" situation nonsense, Rayleigh, Sengoku and Garp are still on very same level as Yonko and admirals and can give them extreme diff fight

@ShishioIsBack: I don't actually agree. I think he can push them to high diff at max. Some might mid diff him. Borsalino may have needed awakening to best him, but best him he would, and it wouldn't be a 10 day battle.
ShishioIsBack
ShishioIsBack
I mean we know for a fact he can hurt him with penetration Haki
Most likely has fast stronger CoO and is way faster
Kaido would have physical attributes advantage but hardly a factor if he is never gonna catch him and potentially Ray can two or three shot Kaido
ShishioIsBack
ShishioIsBack
What are you basing it on? Rayleigh having one drop of sweat against the fastest man in One Piece during a grave situation? @Cinera
ShishioIsBack
ShishioIsBack
Prime Ray ~ Prime WB > Current top tiers ~ Old Ray
Cinera
Cinera
Yeah, Shishio is right, Jinbe looks like he's seen God.
Cinera
Cinera
@ShishioIsBack: why would Ray be faster than Borsalino let alone "way faster"?
:choppawhat:

I can agree to stronger COO though.
ShishioIsBack
ShishioIsBack
That panel is crazy, Jinbei is no slouch lmao, dude is probably strongest fish man ever and one of the former warlords. He has a big status in the world himself but man treating Rayleigh like a God
ShishioIsBack
ShishioIsBack
@Cinera Not borsalino lmao, talking about Kaido.

Kizaru is faster than Ray for sure but Ray has better CoO so he can fight him.
Cinera
Cinera
> Prime Ray ~ Prime WB > Current top tiers ~ Old Ray

@ShishioIsBack: the way I see it, Prime Ray scales to Mihawk. He's very unlikely to be a level above him.

Old and healthy WB (bitchslapping high tier Ace in his sleep) was above Mihawk, Primebeard should be even stronger.

With maximum wank Prime Ray might beat current Kaido very high/extreme diff I guess.
ShishioIsBack
ShishioIsBack
ShishioIsBack
ShishioIsBack
@Cinera Why though? Rayleigh's presentation, his notoriety, his hype, characters' like Jinbei's reaction to Rayleigh all dwarfs Mihawk's.
Why does Ray have to scale to Mihawk?
Zoro has to surpass Mihawk and then he would attain position in the world that Rayleigh held
ShishioIsBack
ShishioIsBack
I wanna say Mihawk ~ Prime Ray but Marines are more scared of old and Rusty Rayleigh then they are of Mihawk, casually sending 8 ships without any admirals for him while Garp straight up say Marines can't handle burden of tackling Ray and WB (with his crew) at the same time
Elder Lee Hung
Elder Lee Hung
@ShishioIsBack Notoriety =/= strength. Though it's very impressive that Old Hyou knew who Rayleigh was when Wano is so secluded from the outside world. Lol
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