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Cinera
@Admiral Lee Hung: I understand your argument, but it doesn't really get around the Red Hair Pirates point. If your hypothesis was true, Shanks commanders should have substantially lower bounties than the other Yonkou, but the reverse is the case.
This leads me to think that combat ability is the main determinant, and other factors are supplementary.
This leads me to think that combat ability is the main determinant, and other factors are supplementary.
Cinera
Peros even boasts of his strength by referring to his 700 million belli bounty.
Elder Lee Hung
@Cinera first off, I don’t think the Red Hairred Pirates care as much about preserving the balance as you think they do lol, Shanks obliterated a Navy Fleet just to speak to Whitebeard. I think Shanks respects the balance on his own terms, but this guy is an enemy of the world government lol.
Elder Lee Hung
Second, the Red Hair Pirates had all made names for themselves before joining Shanks unlike Kuri who has spent his whole life in Tottoland basically, and they don’t restrict themselves to sitting in one isolated territory like Kuri does.
Cinera
@Admiral Lee Hung: if I'm not mistaken, there is a scene where the Gorosei explicitly said as such.
Elder Lee Hung
If anything, I would think people like Queen having a higher bounty than Kuri would debunk the notion of bounties primarily being based on combat power. What would you say if Mihawk’s frozen bounty is lower than Katakuri’s?
Cinera
> Second, the Red Hair Pirates had all made names for themselves before joining Shanks
This is false? Yasopp and Beckman were recruited in the East Blue. Neither seems to have been a pirate before joining Shanks. Besides, the average bounty of East Blue Pirates was 3 million.
This is false? Yasopp and Beckman were recruited in the East Blue. Neither seems to have been a pirate before joining Shanks. Besides, the average bounty of East Blue Pirates was 3 million.
Cinera
> What would you say if Mihawk’s frozen bounty is lower than Katakuri’s?
Not that concerned I think. The Shichibukai all seem to have low frozen bounties (the highest known so far is 480 million). Being higher than Katakuri's would make Mihawk's frozen Bounty more than double Weevil's.
Not that concerned I think. The Shichibukai all seem to have low frozen bounties (the highest known so far is 480 million). Being higher than Katakuri's would make Mihawk's frozen Bounty more than double Weevil's.
Cinera
If Mihawk's unfrozen bounty was below 1.5 billion ("fifth emperor" Luffy), then yeah, that would be a significant blow to the "bounties are primarily about power levels" argument.
Cinera
However if Mihawk's unfrozen bounty is greater than that of the Yonkou Blackbeard (despite being a loner with no political power or military might other than his personal martial strength), then that would reinforce the "bounties are primarily about power levels" argument.
Cinera
If Mihawk's bounty surpasses even Shanks, then it becomes clear that Oda only looked at their power levels and didn't factor threat, hard and soft power, resources, etc. to assign their bounties.
Elder Lee Hung
Shanks specifically asked for Yasopp by name when he showed up on Yasopp’s island to recruit him. Yasopp was already well known by that point lol.
Elder Lee Hung
Oda has said in interviews before that bounties do not indicate power level and they can’t be used to measure power level even though power level is an aspect of bounties.
Cinera
@Admiral Lee Hung: Luffy asked for Zoro by name. Zoro was known by everyone in East Blue. The fact remains that the average bounty of East Blue is still 3 million. East Blue Pirates are literal scrub tier.
Elder Lee Hung
Because luffy had specifically been told that Zoro was here. Shanks shows up to Yasopp’s village already knowing who he was.
Cinera
Nah, everyone in East Blue knew Zoro.
Arlong, Hatchan, Don Krieg, etc. Zoro was that infamous.
Shanks isn't a retard like Luffy, so even people much less famous than Zoro would have earned his notice. Yasopp was still an East Blue Pirate, and they were absolutely scrubs.
Arlong, Hatchan, Don Krieg, etc. Zoro was that infamous.
Shanks isn't a retard like Luffy, so even people much less famous than Zoro would have earned his notice. Yasopp was still an East Blue Pirate, and they were absolutely scrubs.
Elder Lee Hung
How do you explain 0 bounty monsters like Teach, Issho, and Green Bull? They’re not weaker than Perospero are they?
Cinera
@Admiral Lee Hung: Issho and Green Bull were not pirates or otherwise actively opposing the World Government. Bounties are only given to criminals (e.g. East Blue Zoro had no bounty).
@Admiral Lee Hung: I consider Shanks and his commanders a very powerful counterargument against this. Of all the Yonkou, the Red Hair Pirates are very unlikely to trouble the World Government (Shanks is more interested in preserving the balance than aiming for the One Piece).