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Elder Lee Hung
And once again, Shutenmaru is not strong enough to push Katakuri past the initial troll diff that Katakuri responded to Luffy with in the first chapter of their fight. Best case scenario for Shutenmaru is that Katakuri expresses minor annoyance at the fact that he can last against Kuri for longer than 10 minutes, but even this is a maybe as the most likely scenario is that Kata beats him into the ground in about 5.
Elder Lee Hung
Again, this is the same guys who sliced clean through on guard Jack like he was nothing.
TheAncientCenturion
I’m not sure why you decided Katakuri is untouchable to Ashura Doji. Oda correlates kata’s bounty and strength. Jack’s bounty is almost equal and he barely had an edge on Shutenmaru in Base form.
Elder Lee Hung
Oda does not correlate bounty with strength, I've rejected that for a long time now lol.
And the reason Kuri is untouchable to Shutenmaru, is because there's literally no reason to assume Shutenmaru can land a hit on him. Shutenmaru has no speed boosting DF, he's very fat which will effect his movement speed, he doesn't have particularly good CoO so far as we know (if he even has CoO at all).
And the reason Kuri is untouchable to Shutenmaru, is because there's literally no reason to assume Shutenmaru can land a hit on him. Shutenmaru has no speed boosting DF, he's very fat which will effect his movement speed, he doesn't have particularly good CoO so far as we know (if he even has CoO at all).
Elder Lee Hung
There is literally no reason to assume he would even land one hit on Katakuri if you prevented Katakuri from attacking him for 12 hours straight and just had Shutenmaru spam attacks at him.
As for Shutenmaru's durability, it's probably just pretty standard for high tiers, and Kuri's AP scales well above Dressrosa/WCI Luffy who could consistently injure high tiers with his punches.
As for Shutenmaru's durability, it's probably just pretty standard for high tiers, and Kuri's AP scales well above Dressrosa/WCI Luffy who could consistently injure high tiers with his punches.
TheAncientCenturion
Not in general but Oda clearly put people with 1 billion bounties in the same field. Showing them respect that he didn’t Doffy or Cracker.
TheAncientCenturion
It’s very likely that Ashura Doji cab counter most of Kata’s moves. I don’t think he beats Jack/Kata but he pushes them to mid diff
Elder Lee Hung
Literally it is massively overestimating Shutenmaru to assume he can stay conscious after one punch from Kuri (Kuri's punches which attack around your guard and hit you in your weakpoints.)
TheAncientCenturion
But they couldn’t even do much damage to base Luffy. And they max out at G3 level attack potency. So he’s going to eat plenty of them before going down
Elder Lee Hung
@TheAncientCenturion how do you think Jack fairs against Dressrosa Bound Man? Because Dogtooth was straight up dismantling Bound Man. I think best case scenario for Jack is that he high diffs Bound Man.
Elder Lee Hung
Katakuri's attacks were also brutally injuring base Luffy, Katakuri knocked him out on multiple occasions but Luffy's willpower was too strong and he kept himself in the fight. But Luffy should have far more endurance than Shutenmaru anyway.
TheAncientCenturion
Jack mid diffs. He’s a level above Ulti in his own crew that forced a stronger Luffy to rely on Boundman. It’s not even a challenge
TheAncientCenturion
True, he does. But Shutenmaru also has higher lethality and speed since he was able to take off guard someone on par with Katakuri. It didn’t last but that burst of speed was a good feat
Elder Lee Hung
I don't think Luffy actually needs Bound Man to beat Ulti lol. He can probably beat her in just Gear 2/3 but he needed Bound Man to finish her quickly.
All of the arguments that you're using to rank Shutenmaru highly rely on the circular logic that puts Jack = to Kuri though lol. Like you can't say "I think Jack is = to Katakuri" with reasoning that begs the question lol.
All of the arguments that you're using to rank Shutenmaru highly rely on the circular logic that puts Jack = to Kuri though lol. Like you can't say "I think Jack is = to Katakuri" with reasoning that begs the question lol.
TheAncientCenturion
It’s because Luffy puts Kata above other people *as* the 1 billion bounty man. He essentially says that level of bounty is a mark of strength above others he’s faced. Which lumps Jack in as around Kata’s level
Elder Lee Hung
TAC-But you know I don't accept the bounty argument lol.
Crit-AP doesn't mean anything when the lethality advantage exists. If an MMA fighter punches me in the face, there's a chance I could stay conscious and be okay after a couple of minutes, but if a 3 year old Girl stabs me with a kitchen knife, I will probably need to be hospitalized, even though the MMA fighter's AP >>>>>> the 3 year old Girls
Crit-AP doesn't mean anything when the lethality advantage exists. If an MMA fighter punches me in the face, there's a chance I could stay conscious and be okay after a couple of minutes, but if a 3 year old Girl stabs me with a kitchen knife, I will probably need to be hospitalized, even though the MMA fighter's AP >>>>>> the 3 year old Girls
Elder Lee Hung
Jack's trunk swing is just brute force with relatively little lethality. Kuri's Mogura is a razor sharp drill with extreme lethality that literally obliterated a chunk of Luffy's torso when it struck him lol. The lethality gap between Mogura and Zunisha is so massive that Kuri would probably fill Jack with holes anyway.
TheAncientCenturion
It’s not in general, but the way Luffy treats Katakuri’s bounty as a mark of strength. He legit takes the bounty for power, and Jack has an identical bounty basically.