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Xione
Enma - only thing to ever scar Kaido, due to the level of haki mastery required for it - is being mastered by Zoro
Advanced CoA - which will allow Luffy to damage Kaido - is being mastered by Luffy
Instead of telling me to stop writing what suits me best, it's better if you start reading what's posted rather than reading what suits you. I said "being able to damage Kaido", not "being able to beat Kaido".
Advanced CoA - which will allow Luffy to damage Kaido - is being mastered by Luffy
Instead of telling me to stop writing what suits me best, it's better if you start reading what's posted rather than reading what suits you. I said "being able to damage Kaido", not "being able to beat Kaido".
Xione
@Sentinel
- It is, you won't be able to defend it with consistency.
- They're not close in strength. They range in power just like the Warlords, but particularly like the Vice Admirals. Not even getting into the WB's other 13 commanders & BB's other 7 commanders, all recognized as "commanders"/"captains".
- It is, you won't be able to defend it with consistency.
- They're not close in strength. They range in power just like the Warlords, but particularly like the Vice Admirals. Not even getting into the WB's other 13 commanders & BB's other 7 commanders, all recognized as "commanders"/"captains".
TheAncientCenturion
The warlords range from Yonkou Level Mihawk to Veteran Tier Moriah lol. Far greater range in their ranks, not to mention they aren’t a homogenous group. Commanders generally cohabit a similar space to one other. Shichibukai vary.
TheAncientCenturion
Katakuri can be either the weakest Fm or the strongest based on the fact Luffy fought him / he was the first defeated. Luffy isn’t wasting time with any other FM after Kata, which is him stepping forward to Top tiers after this battle. But he also serves potentially the weakest Yonkou too.
TheAncientCenturion
It really comes down to your bias where you put him IMO. At least as of now. Once we get feats from King, it’ll help on ranking FMs. We already know Beckman is likely to be an exception, loathe as I am to admit it. Shiryuu is 100% of a different class too.
Sentinel
@Xione
- It is not, of course I'll be able to defend with consistency.
- They are close in strength; the Yonko are in competition when it comes about territorial areas.
Your claim is utterly baseless - can you prove that there is a strength gap between the Commanders like the Warlord?
When I talk about Commanders, I obviously mean the 3 top dogs of them...
- It is not, of course I'll be able to defend with consistency.
- They are close in strength; the Yonko are in competition when it comes about territorial areas.
Your claim is utterly baseless - can you prove that there is a strength gap between the Commanders like the Warlord?
When I talk about Commanders, I obviously mean the 3 top dogs of them...
Sentinel
After Luffy defeated Katakuri, other Commanders are no real competition against him; that's why he immediately fought against Kaido (still utterly lost) and tried to test his Ryuo against Big Mom because only the top tiers are currently far above Luffy.
Sentinel
Do you actually think current Luffy (let's say even Pre-Udon Luffy) would struggle against King as much as his fight against Katakuri? Of course not, he'd beat King with his G4th + FS, that's already enough to beat almost all Commanders.
That's why Katakuri was Luffy's benchmark since he 1) was his mirrored version and 2) the superior fighter overall.
That's why Katakuri was Luffy's benchmark since he 1) was his mirrored version and 2) the superior fighter overall.
Xione
@TheAncientCenturion Whitebeard had 16 commanders, Blackbeard has 10. Surely you're not suggesting Cruel and Marco are cohabiting the same space. Or Snack & Katakuri.
Sentinel
Shilliew still can grow, that's no question and Beckmann is definitely stronger than Kata as well. But guys like King and Marco are nowhere stronger than Katakuri, even if you truly want to believe this headcanon.
Sentinel
@Xione
> Surely you're not suggesting Cruel and Marco are cohabiting the same space. Or Snack & Katakuri.
Once again, we're talking about Top Commanders, capt obvious lol.
The differences between Cracker/Smoothie and Jack/Queen are not that big as you make it out to be. And Snack was removed being a Sweet Commander - hence he's irrelevant on this debate.
> Surely you're not suggesting Cruel and Marco are cohabiting the same space. Or Snack & Katakuri.
Once again, we're talking about Top Commanders, capt obvious lol.
The differences between Cracker/Smoothie and Jack/Queen are not that big as you make it out to be. And Snack was removed being a Sweet Commander - hence he's irrelevant on this debate.
Finalbeta
Shiryu might already be the strongest YC1
But I feel like
BB > Shanks
Beckman > Shiryu
At least in the present moment
But I feel like
BB > Shanks
Beckman > Shiryu
At least in the present moment
Sentinel
@Xione
> I said Zoro is on par with Luffy, meaning extreme-diff fight for Luffy.
Lmao, at first Zoro should defeat King - weaker than Katakuri - and then we can talk whether he pushes Luffy extreme diff or not.
> This is based on a blatant parrallel in training put by Oda before ending Act 2.
This is based on nothing except your assumption that there is apparently a parallel between their training.
> I said Zoro is on par with Luffy, meaning extreme-diff fight for Luffy.
Lmao, at first Zoro should defeat King - weaker than Katakuri - and then we can talk whether he pushes Luffy extreme diff or not.
> This is based on a blatant parrallel in training put by Oda before ending Act 2.
This is based on nothing except your assumption that there is apparently a parallel between their training.
Xione
- Alright. Then are you claiming Oden was surpassed by Luffy when he took down Katakuri?
- Depends on what you define close. Marco would high-diff Katakuri. Beckman dependent on if he really is close to a Yonko , could mid-diff or lower Katakuri, certainly that isn't close in any way. There's a giant gap between Beckman & Cracker, they by no means are "close".
- Depends on what you define close. Marco would high-diff Katakuri. Beckman dependent on if he really is close to a Yonko , could mid-diff or lower Katakuri, certainly that isn't close in any way. There's a giant gap between Beckman & Cracker, they by no means are "close".
Sentinel
Zoro mastering Enma is prior defeating Orochi (don't forget, Orochi is his target) whereas Luffy mainly trains to defeat Kaido AND he ONLY TRAINS his Ryuo prior to overcome Kaido's dragon scales.
HA001
So oda specifially has a kaido sword and an orochi sword. Gives zoro the kaido sword but you say its for orochi. Makes sense.
Xione
Do you know what an assumption is?
Stating Zoro's training is related to being able to Damage Kaido = factual , not assumption.
Stating Zoro's training is happening in parrallel with Luffy's = factual, not assumption.
There is no assumption of parallel in training being made, simply a pointing out of the existing parallel, that was done at last chapter of Wano Act 2.
Stating Zoro's training is related to being able to Damage Kaido = factual , not assumption.
Stating Zoro's training is happening in parrallel with Luffy's = factual, not assumption.
There is no assumption of parallel in training being made, simply a pointing out of the existing parallel, that was done at last chapter of Wano Act 2.