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HA001
Whoa what wbs righ hand man not stronger than kata lmfao. Marco stomps.
Xione
Katakuri is less achieved than Queen as a pirate, represented in his bounty visibly. Despite being #2 to Big Mom, he has an inferior bounty than Queen who probably has a gap in bounty compared to King.
A guy who has achieved less than #3 to Kaido is going to be the strongest commander, and the guy who is a benchmark for Luffy? Absolutely makes no sense. Benchmark wouldn't be the least accomplished of the YC1s.
A guy who has achieved less than #3 to Kaido is going to be the strongest commander, and the guy who is a benchmark for Luffy? Absolutely makes no sense. Benchmark wouldn't be the least accomplished of the YC1s.
HA001
As for the yonko equilibrium
It was wb and his crew holding off meme and kaidos crews for years and as wb declined shanks rose in power to make up the difference. Now for the first time it a 4 way dispute but meme and kaido will fall to rookies not yonko
Whilst shiryu will likely surpass benn to end up as the strongest of 1st commanders till the shs face the bb pirates.
It was wb and his crew holding off meme and kaidos crews for years and as wb declined shanks rose in power to make up the difference. Now for the first time it a 4 way dispute but meme and kaido will fall to rookies not yonko
Whilst shiryu will likely surpass benn to end up as the strongest of 1st commanders till the shs face the bb pirates.
HA001
Go read bogards thread on marco. Katas inferior.
Sentinel
@Xione
- Wrong comparison once again, it was said that Oden was a Commander but it is nowhere a confirmation that he was already on his prime when he was WB's Commander. Try again.
- No, Marco won't high diff Katakuri at all, unless you're assuming that Marco apparently has the strength of G4th and similar CoO like Luffy who barely defeated Katakuri.
Beckmann mid diffs Kata, I agree.
- Wrong comparison once again, it was said that Oden was a Commander but it is nowhere a confirmation that he was already on his prime when he was WB's Commander. Try again.
- No, Marco won't high diff Katakuri at all, unless you're assuming that Marco apparently has the strength of G4th and similar CoO like Luffy who barely defeated Katakuri.
Beckmann mid diffs Kata, I agree.
Xione
Katakuri has mirrored Luffy somewhat in fighting style =/= benchmark. Just a nice effect Oda did for a fairly big entertaining fight in the series.
Katakuri being a superior fighter to who exactly? Confused on what you're referring to here.
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The reason I've mentioned the WB 16 commanders is to point out that "commanders" CANONICALLY is a diverse role that ranges in levels. CANONICALLY it is not limited to top 3
Katakuri being a superior fighter to who exactly? Confused on what you're referring to here.
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The reason I've mentioned the WB 16 commanders is to point out that "commanders" CANONICALLY is a diverse role that ranges in levels. CANONICALLY it is not limited to top 3
HA001
Considering you need top coo to even keep up with kizaru and he had the strength to send admirals flying id say so
Sentinel
@Xione
- Yes, I know what an assumption is; and you?
- Wrong, stating Zoro is mastering Enma to damage Kaido is simply pure speculation, unless you can prove that Zoro's target is Kaido lol.
Yes, Zoro's and Luffy's training is happening at the same time, the goals are just different. Once again, it is not a fact.
- Of course it is; all straw hats were training during that timeskip and yet they're not as strong.
- Yes, I know what an assumption is; and you?
- Wrong, stating Zoro is mastering Enma to damage Kaido is simply pure speculation, unless you can prove that Zoro's target is Kaido lol.
Yes, Zoro's and Luffy's training is happening at the same time, the goals are just different. Once again, it is not a fact.
- Of course it is; all straw hats were training during that timeskip and yet they're not as strong.
Xione
- Oden in piracy is known for being WB's commander. If you're saying he wasn't in his prime then, the burden of proof is on you. So try again. Unless you have evidence that suggests he grew in strength.
- Marco's fighting style, what power he possesses in going all out, is completely unknown. So anything related to him, whether losing to Kata or beating Kata relies on assumption.
- Marco's fighting style, what power he possesses in going all out, is completely unknown. So anything related to him, whether losing to Kata or beating Kata relies on assumption.
Finalbeta
Lol guys you truly are going all out so many not.
Xione
- I never stated Zoro himself is training for Kaido. I said the training is related to being able to damage Kaido. Big difference. First would be an assumption, as it's assuming Zoro's aim in the training. Second is a factual statement based on Enma being the weapon that put a scar on Kaido, and Roronoa now being put in a situation to master the weapon.
- Never once were their goals were mentioned.
- Never once were their goals were mentioned.
Sentinel
@Xione
- Of course it is a reference that Kata is Luffy's benchmark. I can also show you the pictures of Kata's previous design when Oda didn't intent to make him Luffy's benchmark. Hence your assertion is debunked.
Katakuri being stronger in abilities, skills and haki - Luffy being the underdog who finally surpasses Katakuri on these things.
- Of course it is a reference that Kata is Luffy's benchmark. I can also show you the pictures of Kata's previous design when Oda didn't intent to make him Luffy's benchmark. Hence your assertion is debunked.
Katakuri being stronger in abilities, skills and haki - Luffy being the underdog who finally surpasses Katakuri on these things.
Xione
All strawhats could've been training off-panel, sure. Completely irrelevant to the two trainings that Oda made sure to point out and are related to being able to damage Kaido
Sentinel
- So what if Oden was known as WB's Commander during his piracy? I'm saying that we do NOT know whether Oden was on his prime or not when he was WB's Commanders and obviously, the burden of proof do not lie on me.
On the other hand, you sure can try to prove that Oden was on his prime when he was a Commander, can you?
On the other hand, you sure can try to prove that Oden was on his prime when he was a Commander, can you?
Xione
- That again has no correlation to being a "benchmark" related to surpassing the likes of Marco/Beckman/King/Shiryuu/etc. You'd simply prove Oda did a great job in setting up Katakuri as a villain that would make Luffy enter the realm of Billion berri monsters. You're not debunking anything here.
- Yup, luffy is an underdog in pretty much nearly every major fight he's had.
- Yup, luffy is an underdog in pretty much nearly every major fight he's had.
Sentinel
You just assumed Marco high diffs Kata - based on nothing - but when I say Marco doesn't have anything impressive to put Katakuri down, it is suddenly an assumption? Lol.
Sentinel
> All strawhats could've been training off-panel, sure. Completely irrelevant to the two trainings that Oda made sure to point out and are related to being able to damage Kaido
No, it is not. This training shows the parallels between the straw hats struggling to become far stronger than before. Hence Zoro mastering and training Enma has nothing to do what Luffy is achieving at the moment. Try again.
No, it is not. This training shows the parallels between the straw hats struggling to become far stronger than before. Hence Zoro mastering and training Enma has nothing to do what Luffy is achieving at the moment. Try again.
Xione
- No sir you're not saying you don't know. If you're saying you don't know, you wouldn't claim for a fact Katakuri was benchmark for YCs.. and instead wait for Oden. If you're now saying you want to wait for Oden to be revealed whether he was in his prime or not when he was WB's commanders.. I'm more than willing to accept that. And we'll drop it there on that point.
Sentinel
> I said the training is related to being able to damage Kaido
Once again, can you prove this assertion?
Enma is a sword in which the wielder managed to cut Kaido but we do not know the circumstances at all how Oden managed to cut Kaido. At first, Zoro simply masters Enma - the sword which managed to cut Kaido - and that's all we know.
Once again, can you prove this assertion?
Enma is a sword in which the wielder managed to cut Kaido but we do not know the circumstances at all how Oden managed to cut Kaido. At first, Zoro simply masters Enma - the sword which managed to cut Kaido - and that's all we know.