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EmperorKinyagi
Exactly my point. The dynamic was never actually shown.
Cinera
@AdmiralKinyagi: that's because Phoenix flames aren't superior to Lunarian flames. At best, they stalemate each other.
ConquistadoR
Your argument about Marco not being able to push King to use his lunarian hax is kinda flawed tbh. In a 1v1 setting when Marco gets the upperhand, he has no reason to divert from King and he would continue to keep hitting him with attack after attack. At some point, the accumulated damage will be enough to force a usage of the hax.
As I said there, it will be a battle of attrition and knowledge imo.
As I said there, it will be a battle of attrition and knowledge imo.
ConquistadoR
Given their near identical portrayal, I don't think one is that far off the other. I think King will be the victor eventually, but I don't think he's a tier above Marco or Katakuri, atleast based on what we know now.
And unless he possesses ACoC, I don't think he warrants being placed on another tier than Marco or Katakuri.
And unless he possesses ACoC, I don't think he warrants being placed on another tier than Marco or Katakuri.
ConquistadoR
@AdmiralKinyagi yes you're right. If the Flame can be exploited that obviously changes how the Marco vs King matchup goes.
However @Cinera is right as well. We don't know how Lunarian flames interact with Marco's and based on the Andon vs Immortal Thistle clash, it is fair to reason that Marco enjoys no such advantages against King's flames.
However @Cinera is right as well. We don't know how Lunarian flames interact with Marco's and based on the Andon vs Immortal Thistle clash, it is fair to reason that Marco enjoys no such advantages against King's flames.
Cinera
@ConquistadoR: why do you think Marco gets the upper hand against a serious King?
The only King Marco fought was very casual and didn't use most of his arsenal.
The only King Marco fought was very casual and didn't use most of his arsenal.
Cinera
> but I don't think he's a tier above Marco or Katakuri, atleast based on what we know now.
King's defence is superior to Marco's (he can withstand more total damage as his hax is only consumed when an attack exceeds his durability/resilience).
King's offence far outclasses Marco's offence (self explosion, Tempura Udon, Imperial Archer).
In all other combat stats, they are comparable.
King's defence is superior to Marco's (he can withstand more total damage as his hax is only consumed when an attack exceeds his durability/resilience).
King's offence far outclasses Marco's offence (self explosion, Tempura Udon, Imperial Archer).
In all other combat stats, they are comparable.
Cinera
King is thus a strictly superior combatant to Marco.
ConquistadoR
@Cinera : why do you think Marco gets the upper hand against a serious King?
because that's the nature of his fruit and we've seen him do that thrice against really strong opposition.
because that's the nature of his fruit and we've seen him do that thrice against really strong opposition.
ConquistadoR
1. against kizaru where he ate mortally wounding lazers and then kicked him. this is even more impressive since kizaru knew about marco's abilities.
2. against king in ch 1006 - the blue bird + knee drop move. marco again takes a mortally wounding attack and then regens off it.
in a 1v1 where king does not have info about marco's fruit, this will repeat since he already did that against him in the series.
2. against king in ch 1006 - the blue bird + knee drop move. marco again takes a mortally wounding attack and then regens off it.
in a 1v1 where king does not have info about marco's fruit, this will repeat since he already did that against him in the series.
Cinera
@ConquistadoR: Marco got the upper hand against a casual King.
Cinera
Zoro also did similar in 1022 - 1024.
Once King became angry in 1027, he began ragdolling Zoro.
Once King became angry in 1027, he began ragdolling Zoro.
Cinera
I don't think a casual King's performance scales to a serious King.
ConquistadoR
If King lacks knowledge about Marco's DF, I don't think casual/serious King matters. He is going to try harder but that still doesn't solve the problem.
Kizaru, while having knowledge, was caught offguard by Marco's regen and kicked by Marco.
Kizaru, while having knowledge, was caught offguard by Marco's regen and kicked by Marco.
Cinera
1. Those love taps would do very little to King.
2. Marco already lost in canon anyway.
2. Marco already lost in canon anyway.
ConquistadoR
He did just kick Kizaru, but when put in the same scenario King took a Blue Bird + Knee Bomb Combo. I'm just talking about a specific scenario - it'll take a while to get used to Marco's DF abilities and that's free hits for Marco. Those free hits can range from kicks to Blue Birds to Phoenix Brands.
ConquistadoR
However the contrary is true as well. Marco has no knowledge about King's hax as well. Not necessarily saying that King would take severe damage, but Marco will have the upper hand at the start of the encounter.
Cinera
Blue Birds and Phoenix Brands aren't cutting it against King.