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@Peroroncino
People can maintain basic integrity and self respect.
No one has to commit atrocities if it means abandoning your own integrity.

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@Jet Pistol
"you are under false belief that some higher authority is there and it will felicitate basic laws for everyone."
I'm not.

Expecting others to respect your rights has nothing to do with this.

Each of us is allowed to preserve their humanity while accepting the consequences.

Peroroncino

No one has unless you are born with a penis that is.
In which case enjoy being homeless and living in the gutter after being raped in jail for years.

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Ballel

Your man obsession again.🙄

Who said you have to let your government imprison you?

Peroroncino

Oh so prisoners of war have a choice now? How can you be this stupid solis

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First you're shitting against Europe.
Then against Germans.
The genocides in your own country are still not of your interest.
Now you're saying you don't want to go to prison.

You're not being consistent.

Just admit that you are making all these arguments up because you're drowning in fear of your own government
Just admit it already.

For once, be honest with yourself and stop lying to yourself.

Peroroncino

According to you the jews shouldnt fear getting killed or imprisoned and it was their choice because they feared it.
And i am not scared of my own government it is not them causing wars after all.
That is one thing i cant complain about.

Jet Pistol

@solis " Expecting others to respect your rights has nothing to do with this."

No one respects your rights unless you have the power to make them respect you.

" Each of us is allowed to preserve their humanity while accepting the consequences. "

No. If the government doesn't allow, you can't do a thing. Unless you can overthrow it. Just check what Trudeau doing with the truckers.

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You can be imprisoned by you own country for refusing the draft OR by the enemy when they catch you.

Or you can die on both sides.

You can never know what happens.

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''No one respects your rights unless you have the power to make them respect you. ''
This is what I said. Read my posts.

''No. If the government doesn't allow, you can't do a thing''
Of course. You can try.
Governments don't even abide.by their own laws.
Even law abiding citizens can be tortured and abused by their government.

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@Jet Pistol
By your logic, people should never question what is told to them and they should always mindlessly follow orders.

Peroroncino

That doesnt make it ok,solis.
Damn i was told western women were of low quality but i never thought it was this bad.

Jet Pistol

I didn't say it's right thing. I also hate wars. But that's how governments work. Be it democracy or authoritarian. Each citizen is required to do their duties in some way. Btw, they will have the propganda in place already. So no one will oppose the government.

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@Peroroncino Doesn't make WHAT ok? Which statement are you referring to?

And you're throwing an insult again.
Do you have the ability to think clearly or do you always use manipulation and gaslighting when having debates?

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@Jet Pistol
You can let some government manipulate you as much as you want. And then fight in a dumb war for them, killing lots of people that you don't even know.
And then die yourself.

Sure you can.

It's your choice.

Jet Pistol

@Peroroncino , not everyone lives in war zone like you guys. Go easy on @solis . He doesn't know the realities of war.

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@Jet Pistol I know the reality of life.
You are born. Then you die.

What you do in between is your choice. There is no way one can avoid death.

Jet Pistol

@solis what do you think happens if a country loses war?
Do you know what happened to your country after you guys lost ww1 and ww2? It's not manipulation when you fight for your own survival.

Peroroncino

privileged people telling the non privileged to ruin their lives because that's a choice pisses me off

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@Jet Pistol
Has nothing to do with what I said.

Protecting your own country from getting invaded is not the same as joining a war that has nothing to do with your country.