Worstgen

@RayanOO Why would Katakuri and Marco beat him? Only stat Zoro has gained since Roof Top is Attack Power. Zoro who had attack power to permanently scar Kaido, same Kaido who someone who defeated Katakuri couldn't even bruise didn't have enough AP to beat King.

Marco is a no brain, King is faster in speed form, more versatile, superior attack power, lethality, and virtually everything than Marco.

ShishioIsBack

Kuri one or two Ryou Tatsumakis and he is knocked out.
Luffy isn't beating Roof Top Zoro either since Ashura >>> Anything Luffy has before CoC where as his strongest Ryou attacks are Tatsumaki level and doesn't compare to even flying Dragon blaze.

Roof top Zoro beats every high tier besides King unless you have argument for anyone beating Zoro.

ShishioIsBack

Killer and Kinnemon both had superior damage output than Luffy but barely just barely as they did insignificant damage. What Luffy has over them is other stats like Endurance, Durability, Physical strength, speed.

Zoro has everything.
AoE
DC
Strength
CoA
Speed.
And he isn't barely above Post WCI Luffy in AP, he is in a whole different universe.

ShishioIsBack

Back to original topic, Big Mom never used CoC on Law and Kidd so how does that argument even hold? @RayanOO

ReggieZoldyck21

@ShishioIsBack

What are these feats that Sanji has over Kidd?

ShishioIsBack

Speed CoA Durability Attack Power CoO Lethality @ReggieZoldyck21

ReggieZoldyck21

@ShishioIsBack

I’ll give you speed.

CoA is hard to evaluate when it comes to Kidd because we have no idea if he’s been using it. He’s a confirmed CoA user but Oda never colors any of his attacks black. Do we assume he’s just been fighting this whole arc without using CoA?

Sanji’s body is more durable, but many of Kidds attacks ignore outwards durability and aims to do damage internally by crushing.

ReggieZoldyck21

Sanji doesn’t have AP or lethality over Kidd. Sanji has shown no AP or lethality feat that has been as impressive as the awakening attacks such as Punk Clash which left Big Mom bleeding and giving Kidd props or Punk Corna Dio which broke her arm.

Kidd has greater endurance and hax as well. Sanji pushes Kidd to high diff at best imo.

Chrono

Crushing had never been stated to do internal damage. Kidds attacks arent any different to any brawlers attacks. Shall we say everyone who punches and kicks does internal damage.

ReggieZoldyck21

They have been. Twice lol. Once on the roof where Kidd literally said to Kaido, “we know your skin is tough, but can you survive getting crushed and compacted.” The second time is where Queen explains that his crushing attacks have even killed CoA masters.

ReggieZoldyck21

That’s because he crushes them hard enough that they sustain critical internal damage like ruptured organs or broken bones. The whole point of Kidds attacks were to crush Kaido outwardly so he’s feel pain internally. His attacks are not regular punches and kicks like brawlers. They’re always crushing/pressure based attacks. That’s why he was suprised when Kaido was hurt by a simple punch from Luffy.

TheAncientCenturion

By Feats Sanji high diffs Kidd

ShishioIsBack

I more or less agree
By portrayal kid high diffs.
He has high YC1 level portrayal and your average YC2 level feats

BillSlipton

Portrayal at one point supposedly put killer above sanji.

Simply for existing near a yonko. Portrayal is fluid and situational.

Now for feats kidds ap is shit. His reaction time is shit. His durability is shit. His speed in general is shit. No coo and non existent coa.

Best attack could only push a yonko down a hole. 0 damage. Queen did more damage to meme in his weakest form tbh.

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BillSlipton

When looking at narrative we see fire being hyped across the arc. We have black maria and king. We have kaido and sanji. We have luffy red roc and zoros fire cutting style. We have the fucking fire festival happening. We have meme being defeated through a firey explosion.

All this portray hypes sanjis op plasma blue fire unmatched by anyone.

I'd venture to say oda did this on purpose. It's kinda obvious.2of3

BillSlipton

So when looking at kids skill set which is long range attacks and having endurance. Those aren't enough to beat sanji. The guy who destroyed the 2nd most durable zoan in the story. Hyped for his durability and regen along with a reinforced exoskeleton.
Kid did no damage to meme. Law carried tbh.
Kidd lacks speed, mobility, reaction time feats, coo feats, coa feats, and close range battle feats. Sanji eclipses.3of

Topi Jerami

Not only portrayal, feats also puts Killer above Sanji. Killer can penetrate Kaido's scale (advanced CoA / durability ignoring attack), so dura upgrade from exo is useless against Killer.

2nd most durable zoan is Kaido, not Queen.

BillSlipton

In general sanji beats kidd in the areas that matter. Kidd may beat the yonko today in a 2v1. Portrayal may be on his side supposedly. But let's see how long that last. Sanjis feats are still superior.

TheAncientCenturion

Killer is shit and Kidd is a wet fart @Topi Jerami you lose credibility if you defend those jokes

Topi Jerami

Ok Sir "Burgess high diff King" @TheAncientCenturion
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/king-the-wildfire-vs-prime-sanji.25535/#post-2793675