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LANJI CUCKSMOKE
uh rayleigh and luffy use a level of armament above zoro's
why should I think its top tier?
you are right on one thing tho
pointless having to argue it to you. you will continue to see the author portray them above zoro maybe that will help.
why should I think its top tier?
you are right on one thing tho
pointless having to argue it to you. you will continue to see the author portray them above zoro maybe that will help.
ShishioIsBack
Armament Haki is not all about applications, for example Sentomaru and Zoro both have barriers that doesn't mean Zoro's armament Haki is same level as Pre TS Sentomaru and Pre TS Sentomaru can permanently scar Kaido.
LANJI CUCKSMOKE
if its not
then what about zoro's screams top tier ?
then what about zoro's screams top tier ?
ShishioIsBack
Now I will not debate with you but just explain to you armament Haki.
There are several things to consider.
Pool of CoA : Zoro has this significantly above from being able to Tame Enma to make Barriers the size of Islands, to tank Mountain sized explosions to constantly supply Enma enough Haki and still coat his other three blades, to permanently scar Kaido. Zoro has done far superior things with his CoA than Luffy
There are several things to consider.
Pool of CoA : Zoro has this significantly above from being able to Tame Enma to make Barriers the size of Islands, to tank Mountain sized explosions to constantly supply Enma enough Haki and still coat his other three blades, to permanently scar Kaido. Zoro has done far superior things with his CoA than Luffy
ShishioIsBack
Comparing Enma to Internal Destruction : Zoro is constantly playing tug of War with Enma, where as Enma is forcefully pulling Ryou out of him he is regulating it. Where as Luffy can only pour his CoA into opponents or make barriers. To control your Ryou constantly in a battle against a forceful Ryou pulling top tier sword is more advanced than internal destruction.
ShishioIsBack
Third Zoro arguably used internal destruction against Hyozou's sword as it was same sound effect that Rayleigh and Luffy had when they used internal destruction and they cut the swords from inside same way Ray and Luffy broke those cuffs.
Zoro's CoA is more potent, more full, has better feats and more versatile than Luffy's.
Zoro can even make CoC barriers which Luffy has never shown.
Zoro's CoA is more potent, more full, has better feats and more versatile than Luffy's.
Zoro can even make CoC barriers which Luffy has never shown.
LANJI CUCKSMOKE
scarring kaido came with coc and He only finally "Tamed" enma when he started coating it with coc.
Holding off hakai is a solid feat but it was done for seconds and zoro seemed to have taken on the full brunt of the attack anyway.
oden was able to tame enma at a much younger age. its not exactly about how good one's coa is.
Holding off hakai is a solid feat but it was done for seconds and zoro seemed to have taken on the full brunt of the attack anyway.
oden was able to tame enma at a much younger age. its not exactly about how good one's coa is.
ShishioIsBack
Top tier CoA is CoA to make and Island sized barrier to stop Hakai from breaking your swords
To casually no sell mountain sized explosions
To tame Enma that high tier swordsman who can hurt Kaido are afraid to even touch
To Scar Kaido
To Scare Kaido with your CoA
Like Zoro's CoA is just too complete. Luffy has done nothing besides learn internal destruction which Kaido called Shallow.
To casually no sell mountain sized explosions
To tame Enma that high tier swordsman who can hurt Kaido are afraid to even touch
To Scar Kaido
To Scare Kaido with your CoA
Like Zoro's CoA is just too complete. Luffy has done nothing besides learn internal destruction which Kaido called Shallow.
LANJI CUCKSMOKE
Think of it this way
which character has top tier coa and how does zoro's compare to that.
which character has top tier coa and how does zoro's compare to that.
ShishioIsBack
Lets talk about Oden.
If it takes Advanced CoC to tame Enma and Oden at the age of 30 was surprised to even see Roger and Whitebeard use CoC, how can he have advanced CoC at young age?
And Zoro pulled off scarring Kaido at age of 21 where as Oden was in his 40s. Clearly Enma requires top tier CoA and CoC after Prime Oden using it.
If it takes Advanced CoC to tame Enma and Oden at the age of 30 was surprised to even see Roger and Whitebeard use CoC, how can he have advanced CoC at young age?
And Zoro pulled off scarring Kaido at age of 21 where as Oden was in his 40s. Clearly Enma requires top tier CoA and CoC after Prime Oden using it.
ShishioIsBack
I would say Mihawk and Ryuma have God Tier CoA in black blade and Zoro doesn't compare to that.
His CoA is above every Admirals, above Kaido, above Big Mom, above Luffy but I would say these characters have low top tier CoA.
Zoro's CoA is probably on par with Oden's if not stronger. @LANJI CUCKSMOKE
Basically top 7 or top 8 CoA users in manga.
His CoA is above every Admirals, above Kaido, above Big Mom, above Luffy but I would say these characters have low top tier CoA.
Zoro's CoA is probably on par with Oden's if not stronger. @LANJI CUCKSMOKE
Basically top 7 or top 8 CoA users in manga.
ShishioIsBack
As far as one two second hakai is concerned that's not how it works.
King's sword got broke in two as soon as Zoro's attack touched it. Apoo's Haki tonfas broke in two as soon as Zoro's sword touched it.
Hyozou's swords broke into pieces as soon as Oni Giri touched it.
After direct clash with Hakai, Zoro's swords weren't even chipped much less broken.
King's sword got broke in two as soon as Zoro's attack touched it. Apoo's Haki tonfas broke in two as soon as Zoro's sword touched it.
Hyozou's swords broke into pieces as soon as Oni Giri touched it.
After direct clash with Hakai, Zoro's swords weren't even chipped much less broken.
LANJI CUCKSMOKE
enma releases your haki
you arent supposed to regulate it
so till zoro fought king , he wasnt taming it , he was using it the wrong way ( in a manageable way) .
I dont think it takes adv coc to tame it , but it takes a fighter who can keep fighting even with that much haki being drained out of them (strong will)
which ofc you are more likely to find in coc users.
you arent supposed to regulate it
so till zoro fought king , he wasnt taming it , he was using it the wrong way ( in a manageable way) .
I dont think it takes adv coc to tame it , but it takes a fighter who can keep fighting even with that much haki being drained out of them (strong will)
which ofc you are more likely to find in coc users.
ShishioIsBack
One second or few seconds, Hakai was unable to damage Zoro's swords. You could argue for Zoro himself since Hakia did damage to Zoro but ot Zoro's swords, they were scratchless. Hakai did nothing to Zoro's swords despite full momentum of Hakai collinding with it.
In the same place, put Katakuri's or King's CoA and they are breaking. Luffy's CoA was broke by Ulti lmao he dies on contact barrier or not.
In the same place, put Katakuri's or King's CoA and they are breaking. Luffy's CoA was broke by Ulti lmao he dies on contact barrier or not.
ShishioIsBack
Luffy's barrier was so weak Wind Scythe hurt him, Zoro casually took that out. Luffy clearly can't stop Hakai.
ShishioIsBack
Okay once again you don't actually understand what advanced means lol.
Flow of Haki aka Ryou is Advanced Haki since basic Haki just coats your body.
If you can flow that access energy out that's advanced whether you make barriers or coat weapons or internal destruction.
You need to supply Enma Ryou, but if Enma forcefully pulls Ryou, you need to control it or you'd die.
Flow of Haki aka Ryou is Advanced Haki since basic Haki just coats your body.
If you can flow that access energy out that's advanced whether you make barriers or coat weapons or internal destruction.
You need to supply Enma Ryou, but if Enma forcefully pulls Ryou, you need to control it or you'd die.
LANJI CUCKSMOKE
you make a fair point with king's sword breaking while zoro's didnt even with the combined attack from big mom and kaido
but you have also listed characters who you think have top tier coa and admit zoro isnt close to that
but you have also listed characters who you think have top tier coa and admit zoro isnt close to that
ShishioIsBack
Either that or you have advanced CoC, you are one of a king like Zoro and Oden and you can just let go and be fine.
But before doing that Zoro was fully relying on Ryou and he was forcefully regulating Ryou, pulling his Haki back from Enma when it took too much and turned his arm into Husk, so much flow of Haki in and out of Zoro.
That sounds much more "Advanced" than just internal destruction to me.
But before doing that Zoro was fully relying on Ryou and he was forcefully regulating Ryou, pulling his Haki back from Enma when it took too much and turned his arm into Husk, so much flow of Haki in and out of Zoro.
That sounds much more "Advanced" than just internal destruction to me.
ShishioIsBack
@LANJI CUCKSMOKE What are you talking about?
I said Mihawk and Ryou have God Tier CoA and Zoro is below that.
Zoro's CoA is probably below Rayleigh and Shanks and Roger and Garp as well and they might still have top tier+ CoA
Zoro's CoA is ABOVE all admirals
ABOVE Luffy
Above Kaido
Admirals Luffy and Kaido have top tier CoAs but below Zoro.
I said Mihawk and Ryou have God Tier CoA and Zoro is below that.
Zoro's CoA is probably below Rayleigh and Shanks and Roger and Garp as well and they might still have top tier+ CoA
Zoro's CoA is ABOVE all admirals
ABOVE Luffy
Above Kaido
Admirals Luffy and Kaido have top tier CoAs but below Zoro.
Hopefully you can correct that.