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TheAncientCenturion
I'd probably say high difficulty, if two sword Zoro vs Kamazou was anything to go off of. Zoro needed a third weapon / his three sword style to beat Kamazou, implying at the very least it'd be a high diff fight between them. Now, both unnerfed and Zoro without Ashura is probably having a similarly scaled fight to Killer.
Cinera
The feats don't really permit it rising any higher.
Well I guess the powerscaling argument is probably still there on some level. We shouldn't expect a Supernova of Killer's caliber to be so far below Zoro.
Well I guess the powerscaling argument is probably still there on some level. We shouldn't expect a Supernova of Killer's caliber to be so far below Zoro.
Cinera
I don't think Zoro needing a third weapon implies high difficulty vs Santoryu Zoro. IMO it just shows that Santoryu Zoro is substantially stronger than Nittoryu Zoro. Immediately Zoro could improvise a third weapon be blitzed and OHKOed Killer.
TheAncientCenturion
Would it be fair to say Zoro pulled out all his regular 3 Sword style tricks to stop Pica? That's probably his limit before resorting to Ashura?
Pica's only a Vet level character, I'd honestly say Kamazou is not far below this level. For Killer to not push Zoro as far as Pica or even above would be really pitiful and I don't see him being so weak. Just off my own scaling of 2 Sword Zoro / Kamazou already.
Pica's only a Vet level character, I'd honestly say Kamazou is not far below this level. For Killer to not push Zoro as far as Pica or even above would be really pitiful and I don't see him being so weak. Just off my own scaling of 2 Sword Zoro / Kamazou already.
Cinera
If Zoro had a third weapon from the beginning (and there was no Gyukimaru), he'd have blitzed even earlier.
Santoryu Zoro no/low diffs Kamazou is my current position. Do you disagree?
Santoryu Zoro no/low diffs Kamazou is my current position. Do you disagree?
Cinera
> Would it be fair to say Zoro pulled out all his regular 3 Sword style tricks to stop Pica? That's probably his limit before resorting to Ashura?
In DC, AP and Range yeah. Zoro can't do more in those categories than what he showed vs Pica I think.
In DC, AP and Range yeah. Zoro can't do more in those categories than what he showed vs Pica I think.
TheAncientCenturion
Santoryu is 1 sword?
Would 3 Sword Zoro low/no diff 2 Sword Zoro? Because in my book, Kamazou vs 3 Sword Zoro would be one degree/difficulty below that outcome.
Personally see Sanji ~ 2 Sword Zoro, so probably not? Maybe a Mid Diff fight?
Would 3 Sword Zoro low/no diff 2 Sword Zoro? Because in my book, Kamazou vs 3 Sword Zoro would be one degree/difficulty below that outcome.
Personally see Sanji ~ 2 Sword Zoro, so probably not? Maybe a Mid Diff fight?
Cinera
Pica could never tango with Zoro in CQC and was embarrassed every time he tried, so it wasn't a good display of those abilities.
Alternatively I think Pica was only a mid diff for Zoro due to his very annoying abilities. I place Vergo on high mid tier as well, and Zoro beating Vergo at lower ends of mid difficulty or higher ends of low difficulty seem plausible.
Alternatively I think Pica was only a mid diff for Zoro due to his very annoying abilities. I place Vergo on high mid tier as well, and Zoro beating Vergo at lower ends of mid difficulty or higher ends of low difficulty seem plausible.
TheAncientCenturion
CQC is only a part of Pica's greater whole though. You can't just say he's bad because in CQC, he couldn't land blows on Zoro. That's not how he fights. He seems to make use more of giant earthen attacks whenever given the opportunity.
Cinera
> Santoryu is 1 sword?
San means 3. E.g the Sanbi was the three tails.
> Would 3 Sword Zoro low/no diff 2 Sword Zoro?
Well I'm assuming that Zoro wouldn't oneshot himself, but that is based on ignoring that Zoro fainted vs Kamazou.
San means 3. E.g the Sanbi was the three tails.
> Would 3 Sword Zoro low/no diff 2 Sword Zoro?
Well I'm assuming that Zoro wouldn't oneshot himself, but that is based on ignoring that Zoro fainted vs Kamazou.
Cinera
Oh I agree with your assessment of Pica. I just think that Zoro beats someone like Vergo at a lower difficulty than he beat Pica.
So I don't think saying that Kamazou should be at least that much of a challenge to Zoro works that well. Pica had a specific skill set that made him annoying/difficult to put down quickly.
So I don't think saying that Kamazou should be at least that much of a challenge to Zoro works that well. Pica had a specific skill set that made him annoying/difficult to put down quickly.
Cinera
I guess Killer > Vergo is a reasonable position, so I'll consider Zoro vs Killer at least a mid diff.
TheAncientCenturion
That'd be a good thread. Not sure who'd win
Cinera
If you don't have Killer above Vergo why do you think he's on the same level as DR Zoro?
DR Zoro beats Vergo at lower ends of mid difficulty or thereabouts I think.
DR Zoro beats Vergo at lower ends of mid difficulty or thereabouts I think.
Cinera
I'm not sure I'm willing to make such a thread. Certain posters would make it very unhedonic to engage with.
Cinera
How do you think DR Zoro vs Vergo goes?
Yo Tan Wa
I think the fight wasn't done in well by Oda.
Oda tried to push in the idea of Killer being capable of severaly injuring Zoro to hype Killer, at the same time he used distraction to not do Zoro harm, since they are gonna go against Calamities this arc.
Bt the way it was done, no one really was impressed by Killer.
Oda tried to push in the idea of Killer being capable of severaly injuring Zoro to hype Killer, at the same time he used distraction to not do Zoro harm, since they are gonna go against Calamities this arc.
Bt the way it was done, no one really was impressed by Killer.
Cinera
@Yo Tan Wa I disagree. Oda had Zoro faint to Killer so Zoro could lose Shusui, witness Yasuie's execution and receive Enma.
Cinera
Add bond with Hiyori as well.
Finalbeta
I believe it is reasonable to state Pica = Vergo due their ranks. What do you guys feel about it