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Franosuke

Most arguments for Shanks being stronger than Mihawk can also be applied to Zoro tbh, and I'd say 90+% of guys who think Shanks > Mihawk don't think Zoro > Mihawk.

Cinera

Nah.

Zoro isn't:
* An Emperor
* Luffy's inspiration
* A Strawhat bearer
* The Roger of the mid generation

And Zoro doesn't have Shanks feats:
* Scaring away an Admiral with his haki
* One shotting Kidd and Killer together

AL sama

shanks doesn't necessarily need to be a stronger swordsman to be a stronger being then mihawk

so your point is kinda wrong

Franosuke

But Mihawk doesn't even have Zoro's feats, let alone Shanks' and yet many of the people who harp on Mihawk's lack of feats will still place him above Zoro. It just doesn't make much sense to me, considering Mihawk's only lacking area is feats; he has the proper portrayal to warrant being placed over Shanks

Cinera

@AL sama: Shanks isn't anything but a swordsman.

If Shanks is stronger than Mihawk, then the World's Strongest Swordsman title is fake; there exists a swordsman stronger than the WSS.

Oda would need to make Shanks not a swordsman for this argument to fly.

AL sama

roger was considered to be the strongest yet he didn't have the WSS title despite being a swordsman lol

HA001

Irrelevant was another swordsman the wss ?

Jesse Pinkman

Shanks is on another level you cant compare him with mihawk.

This is where sword bois are wrong.Shanks conqueror easily puts him in top 4 in op verse .

Mihawk is strongest in CoA department thats why he holds WSS title . I am pretty sure he defeated a guy who held this title before not necessarily shanks.

AL sama

ok so why no one has WB's WSM title

roger was a man too garp is a man too

why wasn't roger the most wanted man like dragon even tho he was the biggest threat to WG

HA001

@Jesse Pinkman coc as an excuse went out the window the second zoro got it.

@AL sama you're destroying your own argument. There is no wsm now.
Doesn't mean wb wasn't wsm in his prime. Nor does it mean there isn't someone who is the strongest man in the world right now.

Just like we aren't shown wss back then
But doesn't mean Roger wasn't the strongest swordsman in the world.

AL sama

I m not destroying my argument

I m showing you how a title can't define someone's overall strength

obviously you'll deny or twist whatever goes against zoro and mihawk so its pointless

Franosuke

@AL sama We haven't heard that the titles existed in Roger's era. The best evidence we have is a databook that says WB had his WSM title when Roger was still alive, which isn't actually confirmed. Even if it's true, it has no bearing on the meaning of the WSS title.

Mihawk's title is written the same way as WB and Kaido's in Japanese, whose titles implied their superiority over any fighter in their category

Salah WG

Roger & Shanks Ultimate Attacks are gonna be a Sword Attack, and anyone who thinks They are gonna be Stronger than Mihawk's Ultimate Attack then They deny his WSS Title. It means They believe that in a Mano a Mano Final Clash, Shanks defeats Mihawk which is Equivalent of saying Zoro will never become WSS

comrade

@Cinera I agree. Narratively, Mihawk should be > Shanks. But it's entirely possible for Oda to go a different route and justify Shanks being ~ or even > Mihawk and still make sense of the WSS title, e.g. going the route of Mihawk having the greatest swordskill while Shanks throwing Haki shockwaves through his blade. Whether this distinction makes sense is another story, but Oda may not be so strict

Cinera

> AL sama roger was considered to be the strongest yet he didn't have the WSS title despite being a swordsman lol

@AL sama: the strongest was Whitebeard IIRC, but that's beside the point. The WSS title is not known to have existed before Mihawk. Mihawk probably is just the first (modern) bearer of the WSS title.

Roger not being the WSS is fine as long as no swordsman weaker than Roger bore the title instead.

Cinera

@comrade: that mains Zoro a fraud though? Zoro doesn't want to become the "most skilled swordsman", but the actual strongest in the world.

comrade

Some questions that come to my mind, and I'm playing devil's advocate here:
1) Why did the Marine say Mihawk has superior swordskill, rather than stating Mihawk is more powerful?
2) As far as I know, the Kanji for "WSS" are different to WSM and WSC. While the Kanji for WSM/WSC says "strongest", the Kanji for WSS actually means greatest - world's greatest swordsman. Why the distinction?

comrade

3) The Databook labelled Vista's swordskill as equal of superior to Mihawk's - if we use secondary sources like "Mihawk waiting for an opponent who "surpassed" Shanks, it's interesting to note that statement too.
4) In the Ace novel, Marines were comparing the sword skills of Mihawk, Shanks, DR Zoro and Vista. While latter twos power level is far inferior, they still compared them regarding the swordskill domain

Cinera

> 2) As far as I know, the Kanji for "WSS" are different to WSM and WSC. While the Kanji for WSM/WSC says "strongest", the Kanji for WSS actually means greatest - world's greatest swordsman. Why the distinction?

As far as I'm aware, this is not true.

@Den_Den_Mushi please confirm.

comrade

As far as I know, the distinction is:
Sekai Saikyo no Kenshi = Worlds STRONGEST Swordsman
Sekai Ichi ni Daikengou = Worlds greatest Swordmaster

With Saikyo meaning strongest, but Mihawk being referred to as latter. Though according to @ConquistadoR Mihawk has been referred to as both in the japanese Manga. Since I don't have access to all the raws, can't confirm though.