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An active pirate close to elderly retirement age though. Kaido was far closer to being an old man compared to Oden, who retired in his 30s.

That's like saying Kaido wasn't that strong since he wasn't in his prime due to being 59 when he fought Luffy. So if Gaban isn't that strong, then I guess I can claim Kaido isn't that strong either, since they're about the same age.

In adding to that, I recall there were people saying Jinbe would join the Grand Fleet instead of Luffy. Another example of close-mindedness!

You can still be physically healthy and strong even after retiring though. Oden had retired from being a pirate and he was still able to keep up with Kaido years after that.

There's also Kaido who was 59 when he fought Luffy. Would he be considered in his prime as well, or would Kaido as a Rocks Pirate be considered Prime Kaido

Much as I don't want to be close-minded towards Loki, since anything is possible with Oda as far as I'm concerned, I'm def more willing to believe Vivi and Yamato would have more purpose in reuniting with Luffy as crewmates. I'm not sure what Loki's purpose with Luffy would be, but maybe it will...

Even in the most recent arc, Luffy is still open to recruiting people and Oda hasn't given the confirmation that the Straw Hat membership is closed either, in addition to others like Vivi and Yamato who've yet to join back up with the crew after what they said. This doesn't even have anything to...

That's def another good point. Harald didn't let Shanks and Gaban kill him, but let Loki kill him, giving Loki a better shot than what Shanks and Gaban had. 1767074246 So is Rocks as strong as older Harald then?

This as well. Shanks can't beat Harald with Gaban's help, yet he can apparently beat Loki without Gaban's help, even after Loki defeted Harald. That's just crazy.

Yeah, I mean, prime Rocks was far stronger than past-his-prime Harald, so to claim that Loki is stronger than Rocks because he was able to beat Harald is absurd, especially since Gaban and Shanks already damaged Harald.

Wouldn't Harald also be out of his prime compared to his young adult days tho

Gaban was still a right-hand Roger Pirates underling and Shanks was a top-level Holy Knight though! They'd be extremely strong!

That Shanks and Gaban failed.

I still can't believe they were unable to defeat him, even though Gaban was one of Roger's top underlings and Shanks was a top-ranked Holy Knight

Well that's bad then.

I guess Vivi is never coming back to join either then.

I know I have good reason to believe Yamato will join too, and others are either trolling or being ignorant of evidence, but I guess I engage anyway just to further expose their ignorance. lol 1766435490 Zoro pointing out Momo has a lot of pride is def set-up for Momo and Yamato to clash.

I guess we should give up on Vivi then.

Dude, again, the same thing happened with Vivi. Oda spent all that time with Vivi only for her to ditch Luffy in the end for an entire country, and is now set to reunite. Unless, of course, Oda ends up having Vivi murdered in the story.

Agreed. If people can feel good about Vivi reuniting with Luffy, then the same can be said for Yamato. No matter what one thinks of Vivi, it’s always possible Oda can have her murdered, like how her dad was murdered. So unless one is fine hearing more theories like Vivi murder theories, then...