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You've failed to respond to any of the things I'm lining out. I'd rather we work out the setup and figure this out than get emotional for some reason.

Stop. How is this a serial, every single kill is accounted for. Please stop and think. How is this a serial, if they have absolutely no kill power, and have to ride the whole game out. There would have had to been a failed scum kill literally every single night for your scenario to check out...

I'm also struggling to make sense of a Town, unlimited rolecrusher ability as well.

Oh yuck, I really hate this post. This is not making anything more clear.

But we know he gets different versions of the ability of the person that dies. No lynching seems like putting our problem off, to be in the same position but worse tomorrow. Its still Lynch correctly or lose.

So at least give us what you did last night then. Any mechanical leaning to clear you would be helpful.

Ehhhh I'd be ok with saying its def not Michelle. But mechanically I cannot get past the fact that Clive makes absolutely no sense as part of a Mafia faction. And a serial with 0 kill power seems pretty unlikely.

You have to preactivate a double vote ability for the next day?

I can't see Clive being Mafia with also absorbing powers from both town members and mafia members with such a low powered town. But I can see Clive being a town soft lynch pin and being a backup net for helping the town as they successfully lynch, or lose power roles. So from my PoV this is...

That Vig misfire is really brutal now. Because we're Lynch or Lose rather than having an extra lynch.

Yoho - Jill Warrick - Mafia Dominant (Shiva) - Lynched Day 1 Lord Melkor - Hugo Kupka - Town Dominant (Titan) - Killed Night 1 Red Night - Cid Telamon - Mafia Dominant (Ramuh) - Lynched Day 2 Luka - Gav - Town 3-Shot Tracker - Killed Night 2 Dr. Watson - Sir Wade - Town Vanilla - Killed Night 2...

Is this ever 9v4. Mathing. 9 v 4 day 1 start 8 v 4 day 1 mislynch 7 v 4 night 1 kill 6 v 4 day 2 mislynch 5 v 4 night 2 kill 4 v 4 with three mislynch. Ehhhh that's not impossible. That's such a big Mafia group for a 13 man but not out of the realm if there's absolutely no other factions...

Would it matter at this point?

A sad time.

Do we even need DV now?

My expectations on death is a hard learned behavior. In the past, I usually attract a lot of blind kills during Night 1/2. There was a whole ass meta with the group I used to play with called Chicken with Dante. Because Mafia would have to gamble on if the town would blind protect me, since they...

Yep I agree. I think being worried about an unstoppable condition is completely worthless given the information we have on flips.

I really thought I was dead for sure Night 2 after the back to back scum lynch. Which as a vanilla, I was more than ok with. I had done my job at that point.

I'm going to take this as a pretty big compliment. I think its fair we also give @Michelle some big props for being the first to hard dig into Mango. I should have gone with my gut post when the Doctor claim started to really stick out in the claim list but Cubey was just so easy to lynch.

So my point is that typically you don't want to give town no means to defend themselves if scum overplay their hand. You want scum factions to have an incentive to be fairly well hidden and not be too suspect during the day. If you give a role the unstoppable condition, which would be what it...