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:milaugh: Even if Loki joins post-elbaf, I don't think Sanji has to be definitively stronger than him. As has been the case several times in the past, can be ambigious like it was when Robin first boarded the ship on Alabasta or at the start of Onigashima with Jinbe when the latter joined. Or...

High Top Tier at worst and Peak Top Tier at best. For reference, reckon it's something like this: God Tier Imu Demi-God Tier HK Harald Transcendent Top Tier Xebec, Roger, Garp, Newgate, Shanks High Top Tier~Peak Top Tier Current Luffy Current Loki Don't wanna turn this into a Loki...

Irregardless of where y'all have got Loki PL-wise I think we can all agree that Luffy isn't going to be any less impressive than him this arc, so wings are going to have to raise their game significantly as a consequence. That considered where do y'all have Sanji Post-Elbaf PL wise what do you...

Says the man who thinks Bummers is going to be Sanji's arc opponent and give him a tough fight:whitepress:

They are not :gonope: Again this is the Holy Knights history: Sommers v Gaban - Pretty much a one shot Sommers v Ray - Got oneshot Newgate vs Maffey - trash treatment (Newgate didn't even acknowledge her as an opponent) Xebec v Garling - pretty much negg’d and off panel to boot even with Imu’s...

I'm still leaning strongly towards Zoro and Sanji vs Dorry and Broggy but reckon there is an outside chance of the Gorosei descending on Elbaf to give those two adequate matchups. Don't really see the Holy Knights as proper matchups for either Zoro or Sanji (they are fodder and they record...

I don't care about Hadrujin fam I'm not gonna lie. He's a rubbish character. An insecure, weakling with zero critical thinking skills. It's actually shocking that Ida is his mom, coz the dumbass learnt absolutely nothing from her. King of the Giants my buttcheeks...mchew Such a poorly written...

I don't know man, I completely disagree on the Co-Captain ting. Hadrujin is a flea compared to Loki, character and strength-wise so the co-captain dymanic doesn't really work imo. I get the sense you're referring to Harald's comments/wish in the flashback with regards to Hadrujin and Loki...

Broski... You think Hadrujin and Loki fit the Dorry/Broggy dynamic? Or that Loki doesn't look out of place in a line up of Cabbage, Batrolomeo, Sai, Leo etc? I see the ally angle and I'm in disagreement with it for several reasons but if you wanna argue this angle you gotta at least try to make...

I mean if I'm wrong I'll put up my hands and take the L but my comments are based off of precendent. There's a reason why a shit ton of fans dropped this series post-wano and why even a lot of people that are still debating on here don't even read the chapters and only read spoilers :risisweat...

You should already know my argument on this so I'm not going to debate it for the nth time but this is a summary of it. https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/one-piece-chapter-1171-spoilers-discussion.77261/page-174#post-6523673 I honestly don't see any value in debating this issue as I...

I dismiss the strength reason coz there are multiple examples that prove it isn’t as black and white as you’re making it out to be. One counter argument to the strength argument I made is the Blackbeard Pirates who are the foil of the SHs. They have Kuzan who at this point is stronger than all...

Apart from the pretty obvious points that folks have laid out in favor of Loki joining the SHs, one strong narrative indication that Loki joins I think is the flashback we just had, particularly Rocks & Harald’s relationship & potential parallels btw Loki & Luffy in the current time line. Rocks...

Shanks apparently had a talk with Loki prior to Luffy and em arriving on Elbaf and Loki seems to know where Shanks is at so what are the chances that Shanks told Loki to tell Luffy where he'd be coz he knew he’d be coming to Elbaf? Also knowing Shanks and how proud he is off Luffy, I wouldn't be...

With the flame upgrade I see it as more character progression for Sanji. Wano was an arc of acceptance for Sanji, with him acknowledging the Vinsmoke side of himself and resolving himself to not allow himself to be controlled it and Oda titled that progression phase of Sanji's character "warrior...

I hear the killing angle but don't think that's what Oda'z going for tbh, more so the angle of someone that judges people which I think will tie into his next PU so basically King of Hell (Satan for example). Iblis Jambe/Satan Jambe etc.

@Naomi I hear you and we on the same team but you gotta stop sleeping on the chicken wings :beckmoji: Loki allowed to join the monster-trio dynamic though :milaugh: @kekaro welcome to the club fam will be remembered as being on the right side of history :BigW: (know u're trolling like the the...

I'm still a strong believer that Loki joins tbh and nothing in this flashback has really changed anything for me (look forward to how the Loki is god-tier lads weasel themselves outta of that pickle:milaugh:) PL-wise for Sanji future developments I see for him are: *PoL - This will most...

Your argument was that Loki is too strong to join and my counter argument is Aokiji as that's quite literally one of the arguments folks made prior to him joining the BB Pirates but here we are :risisweat: At this point I'm still not sure who Aokiji fights tbh.

Imagine thinking Sanji struggles with Sommers :vistalaugh: (*jab at rumble :YeahBoi:) Responded to Raiden in the spoiler thread on this topic but reckon Sanji is going to be delegated with saving the kids and then we see him flex PoL against Sommers thorns to save the kids which could...