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Oh fuck:mrgo: I still believe though.

Zoro and Sanji will surpass prime Rayleigh and Gaban by eos. Them surpassing old retired Rayleigh and Gaban this arc makes perfect sense. Also, Loki vs San Juan is dumb. Way too easy. I still think Robin fights San Juan with a giant clone and Loki fights Kuzan.

Loki didn't threaten to kill Luffy when he asked. Unless you're talking about when they first met and not when Luffy invited him, in which case we're going back to the old "but Franky beat up Ussop" argument.

Literally every nakama said no the first time except Ussop and Robin. I guess Zoro, Nami, Sanji, Chopper, Franky, Brook, and Jinbei can't join either.

Okay, I'm not going to bother continuing this since the crux of your argument is just a different interpretation of one line than I have. Not much of a point to this. I'll just leave it by saying I do agree he's certainly stronger than current Sanji, but if Sanji gets CoC like Oda's been...

All Gaban said was "No one was able to do it until then". He didn't say that no one on elbaph could have, just that no one did. Nothing he said in any way implies he couldn't beat Loki if he tried. And again, I don't need to prove anything. My position is that we don't know how strong Loki is...

So you're either claiming Gaban tried and failed to stop loki, which again, is speculation, or you're just claiming Gaban think Loki is really strong, which isn't anything. All of the Loki power level arguments are extremely weak, and it's the only argument against him joining.

So because he's the strongest in elbaf and Gaban basically says he's really strong, that makes him above Zoro and Sanji, even after any possible powerup this arc? And that's the reason he can't join? Forgive me if I put more weight in Luffy's invitation and fixation on him than that.

I don't have to prove Gaban didn't fight Loki. The burden of proof is on you since you're the one claiming he did. And the only evidence you have is speculation/headcannon. And for all we know, Gaban just meant that Loki also has CoC so he can damage the holy knights. None of what you're saying...

I never said the M3 don't matter. Don't make up strawmen. All Gaban said was "Shanks was the one that stopped him. No one was able to do it until then". To claim that means Loki>Gaban requires proof that Gaban tried to stop him. You're just assuming it, which is headcannon. So far, all we know...

This power level stuff is pointless. We can't extrapolate how strong he is now based on what he did as a baby, that makes no sense. All Gaban says is that Shanks is the one who beat him. He doesn't give a list of people who tried and failed. And a 2.6 billion bounty is lower than Kid and Law...

Good to know we can at least agree on that:kata:

Most hated character or most hated agenda? Ussop is my most hated character, but his fans don't annoy me. Pre timeskip Zoro is my favorite character and I still like post timeskip Zoro, but the Zoro wankers annoy me more than any other fanbase, so I think it should be him. I don't know what the...

We already have a shipwright though. Loki would have to be something else.

I'll do a bet on something besides avitars. I only come here for new nakama debates. I joined for the Jinbei debate and left after egghead because I thought no one else would join, and I only came back because Luffy invited Loki. I'm probably not sticking around after elbaf regardless of what...

Gotta love when powerlevel is the only argument against a new nakama and they haven't even fought yet. " Based on how strong he was as a baby we can extrapolate how strong he is now, and since shanks was the first one to beat him, that means ONLY Shanks could have beaten him." That's literally...

13 members in the Roger Pirates is interesting. My guess if there are 3 more is Loki, Yamato, and someone else I don't know. Maybe Bonney still has a chance, or Hancock since it makes the most sense for her. It seems like too many though. I still think it will just be Loki.

Lmao. Remind me where Luffy invited Wyper to join and threatened to whoop anyone who has a problem with it? Or even bonded with him at all? The only possible reasons for the level of cope ya'll have about this are trolling or Zoro/Sanji powerlevel agendas. It's unreal. I don't even...

Going great! Got a baby on the way which is exciting, and just a year left in my MRI tech program. How about you? Also, not going to bother responding to 20 individual posts about peoples headcannon of how strong Loki is disqualifying him. Call me when he actually does something. For now, he...

"Hey Loki, Join my crew! I think it'd be fun with you! If anyone has a problem I'll whoop em!" "I can't wait to see him fight" Yeah, really sounds like Luffy has no legitimate interest in Loki, it's just situational.