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Don’t really care whether it’s revealed Loki joins this chapter or not. Logically speaking it seems a bit out of place since the focus is going to be on Imu v Loki hence why I said I’ll wait for the chapter (took that info with a grain of salt from jump)

Hence why I said I'll wait for the chapter :willsmith:

If plot and Oda can determine how strong a character looks in comparison to another on a whim doesn't that quite literally undermine the feats argument being used to place Loki above all top tiers that have ever existed bar Imu and the god tiers? Sure Luffy in G5 is only limited by his...

So the argument is that Luffy is only restricted by plot and can be as strong as Oda wants him to be?

Then surely there is no chance Luffy outperforms Loki against Imu even within the confines of his time limit no? Also, personally I'd be shocked if Loki loses without ever using his hybrid.

Will wait for the chapter before I bury your ass :Haku_Shovel: If true you are so finished :Rofl:

So now the argument is that G5 Luffy within the confines of his time limit is stronger than Loki (i.e. Loki god tier, aka only second to Imu, aka beyond top tiers of the the past and current Era) Luffy who within the confines of his time limit was unable to dominate either Kaido or little old...

So if I understand correctly your argument is that current Luffy in G5 is stronger than Loki within the confines of his time limit? Hence no inconsistency power scaling wise?

100% but that's not really my point of contention though. There's no denying that Loki is important to the lore or even that he seems to be one of the key players on the mural or even that he's filthy strong. I'm just curious how those that are convinced that Loki is god tier/only second to Imu...

Loki will obviously have his time in the sun against Imu before bowing out for god nika to come and take the spotlight but I do wonder how power scaler bros are going to cope with the reality of god nika who was neck and neck with little old Kizaru last arc outperforming god tier Loki:risisweat...

Thank you~! and my bad :risisweat: Will defo tag you next time ^^

I hear ya on this ^^ Personally leaning towards it being more of something exclusive to Imu's DF as opposed to something universally available like Haki but the reason I say Sanji could potentially be able to use it is coz of this devil theme Oda has associated with his character from very early...

Sanji bros already know my take on his potential powerups but will reiterate for the mandem. With regards to CoC, aside from ① the apparent neccessity for Sanji to unlock CoC in order to be able to combat immortality, ② Sanji's direct parallel in the Roger pirates in Gaban having CoC, Oda's...

Could also be something mad like prep for a mass teleport or something. Initially the Holy Knights weren't able to transport the giant kids via the abyss but maybe Imu being here on Elbaf in person can open up that possibiity

Looks like some sort of prep, but quesiton is for what? One ting that was really odd about Imu last chapter was him asking who the King of Elbaf was even though she should be aware that they have no King (I mean he tried to make Domi-Dorry and Domi-Broggy Kings for that reason) He also attacked...

Unlikely Zoro ever gets a DF imo. With Enma, Oda introduced an interesting dynamic into Zoro’s arsenal which is swords with certain characteristic traits that can make him stronger so Oda can potentially build on that going forward. Plus, there’s black blades which Oda is still yet to fully...

This is the problem for me with this matchup. This is the same argument that folks made prior to Kiringham getting negged by Sanji and co. Hearing a lot of talk about Omen giving Kiringham and Sommers boosts but in what capacity? More strength? and or More speed? Franky was pretty much one tap...

Not saying they are going to be on Imu's level EoS, to be able to achieve that you will probably need a god-tier DF like Luffy's. I'm mostly referring to the standard the narrative has set up this arc: - Gaban highliting the standard Zoro and Sanji are gotta be at to be able to support Luffy as...

I get your point but I think that perception is coz of how lazy Oda is with his writing. Sanji is able to hold his own against Kiz with PoL and Zoro is able to scar Kaido with CoC. these are feats that are beyond what a regular Yonko commander is capable off which I think is what Oda's telling...

You don't necessarily have to be on the same tier as someone to be able to hold your own though? Wings are able to hold their own against top tiers even without being on that level (i.e. Zoor v Kaido and Sanji v Kiz) Moroever I think you're underestimating the power of the narrative which imo is...