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I wouldn't need to overthink this if the Vivre Cards hadn't taken the trouble to establish a canon distinction between both concepts and applied it to veteran crews like Whitebeard's. I would accept the possibility of overthinking before, when Zoro hadn't been given nor denied the official...

And let me add that I wouldn't even have a problem with considering Zoro a first mate if the Vivre Cards hadn't made a very explicit distinction between first mates and right hand men. So obviously there is some factual difference between them that can't be ignored (which is the mistake made by...

I know. Maybe you should remind that to this guy I'm arguing with: What's your point here, exactly? We started discussing because you said that "First Mate =/= Vice Captain" even though those are the same concepts, that "vice captain" doesn't even applies to ship crews and that this manga...

I ignored 95% of your comment because I already commented on that in previous posts and I don't want to repeat myself too much over things that don't even address my point. I'm far from stupid. I'm simply sticking to official material. And official material says that not every right hand man is...

Bartolomeo's words aren't Oda's words; he explicitly adds a "(BY ME)" to his consideration of Zoro as the first mate. It isn't an official, objective title in the slightest, Bartolomeo isn't saying that Zoro is the first mate but that he personally considers him as such (on the contrary Oda...

Ironic. Hippos and potamos. Literally put these 2 words together and that's a horse that lives in rivers instead of an artiodactyl related to cetaceans. Maybe words are meant to be understood following their actual definitions instead of flawed literal and/or etymological interpretations...

And you keep failing to understand that right hand man is cannonically different from first mate in this manga. If it wasn't the case, the likes of Marco and Zoro, explicitly addressed as their captain's right hand men, would have been given those titles instead of doctor and combatant in their...

Urouge never pronounced the word first mate, check the raw panel. And Rayleigh and Beckmann, unlike Zoro (or Marco, or Katakuri), have been addressed officially as the first mates of their crew.

Zoro has always been Luffy's right hand man. But not every right hand man is a first mate. You fail to see my point because you haven't understood yet that "first mate" is a specific title in this manga that hasn't been given to every right hand man. So before answering me again I'd suggest you...

Vice captain isn't a concept that exists in ship hierarchy, that's a fan misconception. What you think that is called "vice captain" (second in authority within a crew) is actually named first mate. And I assume you're thinking that "first mate" is that who joined first, but it isn't. Check the...

Don't blame me but the official sources. Marco was the doctor and was never given the title of first mate in Vivre Cards. Katakuri is the strongest Sweet Commander but, again, hasn't been addressed with such role. Same for Zoro, who is the combatant o the crew. I have no feelings on the issue...

I don't care about what a fan within or outside the story considers. Zoro's official role is that of combatant of the crew and only a few right-hand men have been given the title of first mate. Marco and Katakuri were the strongest after their captains yet they weren't first mates.

They aren't to have one. Not every crew has been shown to have a first mate, most of the right-hand men don't share that title. Especially in Luffy's crew, which is clearly depicted as more like a flat organization. So far the only official role Zoro has is that of combatant, like Lucky Roo but...

Exactly what I wrote. He's the combatant. Nowhere has he been given the title of firstmate, which is an official role that very few right-hand men have.

So far every firstmate is the strongest subordinate (we will have to see wether Burguess is Teach's right hand, though) but not every strongest subordinate is a firstmate.

Jinbe taking care of the mid-trio could make sense from a character point of view in order to develop his relationship with Franky and Robin, who are the oldest alongside Brook and the smartest of the crew. Also, he already shared a lot of time with Nami, Carrot and Chopper in Whole Cake. Jinbe...

With the Raid Suit Sanji fits this reasoning as much as Kid (if we follow the mecha reasoning), in fact one of the potential trains of thought Oda could follow to develop this versus is, precisely, the already set-up debate on using science to fight and how it can benefit you and your people...

Sabertooth, anomalocaris, terror birds, wooly rhino, arhtropleura, dimetrodon, glyptodont, gigantopithecus... are some non-dinosaur extinct animals that, more than less, have been depicted in popular media and could be made into ancient zoans.

The guy from Punk Hazard is just a headliner at best reporting what happened to Caesar during its retransmission. Kaido's son won't even show up for an important event of his father and the other brokers weren't really elite members of their groups (those who were part of huge organizations, I...

"Kaidou" is a Japanese word and I'm pretty sure it had a meaning and connection to the bunch of references to Japanese characters like Momotaro and Shuten-doji that we've seen in Wano. That I agree. But I personally see no reason for him to be a grown up man, maximum a teenager (in the lower...