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#7
Let's hope it doesn't cause if it does that means it has become Sanji's main weapon and that would be a shame bigger than what already is. Way better to have Sanji show new kick powers, develop skywalk, his speed, coo etc. Than having the RS steal his show.
You don't become a top tier at the age of 20 without cheating :kayneshrug:

Luffy has his DF that gives him an absurd physical boosts.
Zoro has his overpowered swords.
Sanji has his RS.
 
#9
You don't become a top tier at the age of 20 without cheating :kayneshrug:

Luffy has his DF that gives him an absurd physical boost.
Zoro has his overpowered swords.
Sanji has his RS.
Yet the gomu gomu is just a random paramecia among many, Luffy had the merit to develop his mastery of it to this point and the same goes for Zoro, his swords are just instruments he uses to fight, he has mastery over them and also the haki and haki mastery to be able to use Enma (unlike all thevother Wano samurai bar Oden). While Sanji was given a free meal with the RS.

The difference is that you cam give the gomu gomu to Usopp and he will start with the same mastery kid Luffy had when he first ate it aka none and the same goes for Zoro swords, most likely he will end up cutting himself or what Luffy did in early Wano while if he gets the RS he gets free armor (since King didn't pierce the RS it doesn't matter if Sanji or Usopp was inside it, both would have survived), invisibility etc.

It is way better for Sanji as a shounen character to get improvements based in his own training than an overpowered raid suit.
 
#10
Let's hope it doesn't cause if it does that means it has become Sanji's main weapon and that would be a shame bigger than what already is. Way better to have Sanji show new kick powers, develop skywalk, his speed, coo etc. Than having the RS steal his show.
No... Thats doesn't make any sense and here's why.....
These Commanders and Top Tiers are Fantastic in close combat on top of having Devil fruit abilities, Haki , Elements ext.....Versatility is needed to grow which is why Oda gave Sanji an element in enies lobby but Commanders and top tiers have elemental abilities as well. So does it really make sense for Sanji to beat characters like this with Just Kicks, Haki and fire when they are also Great at kicks, haki and fire?

 
#12
Luffy is the only one that, being the main character, has enough fights and panel time to make everything somewhat logical. He has a random paramecia but basically any new gear makes him quite stronger than before, so his growth is not linear. G4 is completely different from gomu gomu no mi basic usage or even G2.
It's just a free PU like the RS or Zoro's swords disguised as a result of a training or an epiphany.

Enma and Shusui are massively stronger than his other swords, it's nothing to be ashamed of.
It's from the beginning of the story that he keeps switching his swords with better ones.
He does train a lot but he can't be ready in such a short time without an improved defensive capability and more attack power.
Enma even let him hone his CoA.

The RS is the same, except that to use he didn't need a physical training or a new out of nowhere idea to use his DF. He needed (and probably needs even now) to swallow his pride for the sake of his friend, use that technology to help them. A different kind of stress and sacrifice but not an easier one to do.
I'd even say it's more adequate to his character.
He is certainly going to get FS and better CoA, if not advanced one, but that wouldn't have been enough
 
#13
Yet the gomu gomu is just a random paramecia among many, Luffy had the merit to develop his mastery of it to this point and the same goes for Zoro, his swords are just instruments he uses to fight, he has mastery over them and also the haki and haki mastery to be able to use Enma (unlike all thevother Wano samurai bar Oden). While Sanji was given a free meal with the RS.

The difference is that you cam give the gomu gomu to Usopp and he will start with the same mastery kid Luffy had when he first ate it aka none and the same goes for Zoro swords, most likely he will end up cutting himself or what Luffy did in early Wano while if he gets the RS he gets free armor (since King didn't pierce the RS it doesn't matter if Sanji or Usopp was inside it, both would have survived), invisibility etc.

It is way better for Sanji as a shounen character to get improvements based in his own training than an overpowered raid suit.
Improve in what way exactly ? There are people who kick, can use fire and haki just as good if not better than Sanji on top of having Devil fruit abilities...... Luffy can literally do everything Sanji does on top of having a devil fruit abilitiy. Sanjis not pressed about doing things with his own strength anyways, he'll do whatever he needs to to defeat someone. He used something usopp gave to him to overcome absaloms invisibility. Also if You put Usopp in a Raid Suit he's still fodder. it doesn't change anything. He's not gonna fight like Sanji or anything lol.
 

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#15
"Luffy has a DF that gives him inhuman abilities, but he mastered it, so good for him"
"Zoro now have magical swords, but he is a proficient swordsman and mastered them, so good for him".
"Sanji have a Raid Suit that enhances his fight style, and gives him some new abilities. OMG HACKS! NO FUN ALLOWED! CANT MASTER SHIT. OP OP OP NERF."

:seriously:
 
#16
Yet the gomu gomu is just a random paramecia among many, Luffy had the merit to develop his mastery of it to this point and the same goes for Zoro, his swords are just instruments he uses to fight, he has mastery over them and also the haki and haki mastery to be able to use Enma (unlike all thevother Wano samurai bar Oden). While Sanji was given a free meal with the RS.

The difference is that you cam give the gomu gomu to Usopp and he will start with the same mastery kid Luffy had when he first ate it aka none and the same goes for Zoro swords, most likely he will end up cutting himself or what Luffy did in early Wano while if he gets the RS he gets free armor (since King didn't pierce the RS it doesn't matter if Sanji or Usopp was inside it, both would have survived), invisibility etc.

It is way better for Sanji as a shounen character to get improvements based in his own training than an overpowered raid suit.
You are selling Usopp short, he is far smarter than Kid Luffy, he would probably come up with all type of Uses for the fruit in an hour
 
#17
No... Thats doesn't make any sense and here's why.....
These Commanders and Top Tiers are Fantastic in close combat on top of having Devil fruit abilities, Haki , Elements ext.....Versatility is needed to grow which is why Oda gave Sanji an element in enies lobby but Commanders and top tiers have elemental abilities as well. So does it really make sense for Sanji to beat characters like this with Just Kicks, Haki and fire when they are also Great at kicks, haki and fire?

It is fine for Sanji or everybody else to get more versability but the point is that Sanji should get more versability through his own efforts like the other 2 M3 and not thanks to a raid suit from his dad. Now it would be fine if the RS is just a complementary tool, let's say something that let's him become invisible just like kid Sanji wanted (well it would still be not fine but a lot better than what the RS give aka way stronger defence than Sanji's body actuaslly has) but this RS is getting the focus while Sanji real abilities have been put in the background. I hope in his fight in Wano he will show new moves and the likes instead of just using the RS to the fullest.
Improve in what way exactly ? There are people who kick, can use fire and haki just as good if not better than Sanji on top of having Devil fruit abilities...... Luffy can literally do everything Sanji does on top of having a devil fruit abilitiy. Sanjis not pressed about doing things with his own strength anyways, he'll do whatever he needs to to defeat someone. He used something usopp gave to him to overcome absaloms invisibility. Also if You put Usopp in a Raid Suit he's still fodder. it doesn't change anything. He's not gonna fight like Sanji or anything lol.
Of cours he is not gonna fight like Sanji but he would have survived King blow and that is what is wrong. Sanji should improve on his own: his kicking abilities, his body (strength, speed etc.) instead of adding a RS after more than 900 chapters and make it Sanji main tool (I hope it doesn't happen but rn it seems so). Anyway nobody is discussing the versability but to not reduce Sanji to somebody who relies on his RS alone.
You are selling Usopp short, he is far smarter than Kid Luffy, he would probably come up with all type of Uses for the fruit in an hour
Yup, agree, also most likely he would develop the gomu gomu in some sniper related way (that would be pretty cool actually).
 
#18
It is fine for Sanji or everybody else to get more versability but the point is that Sanji should get more versability through his own efforts like the other 2 M3 and not thanks to a raid suit from his dad. Now it would be fine if the RS is just a complementary tool, let's say something that let's him become invisible just like kid Sanji wanted (well it would still be not fine but a lot better than what the RS give aka way stronger defence than Sanji's body actuaslly has) but this RS is getting the focus while Sanji real abilities have been put in the background. I hope in his fight in Wano he will show new moves and the likes instead of just using the RS to the fullest.

Of cours he is not gonna fight like Sanji but he would have survived King blow and that is what is wrong. Sanji should improve on his own: his kicking abilities, his body (strength, speed etc.) instead of adding a RS after more than 900 chapters and make it Sanji main tool (I hope it doesn't happen but rn it seems so). Anyway nobody is discussing the versability but to not reduce Sanji to somebody who relies on his RS alone.

Yup, agree, also most likely he would develop the gomu gomu in some sniper related way (that would be pretty cool actually).

The Germa are strong AND use raid suits. It's literally an Iron Man suit except you need to be capable of winning the real life Iron Man tournament to get it. It's referenced through the arc that Sanji is strong, so obviously they give it to him because they respect that
 
#20
It is fine for Sanji or everybody else to get more versability but the point is that Sanji should get more versability through his own efforts like the other 2 M3 and not thanks to a raid suit from his dad. Now it would be fine if the RS is just a complementary tool, let's say something that let's him become invisible just like kid Sanji wanted (well it would still be not fine but a lot better than what the RS give aka way stronger defence than Sanji's body actuaslly has) but this RS is getting the focus while Sanji real abilities have been put in the background. I hope in his fight in Wano he will show new moves and the likes instead of just using the RS to the fullest.

Of cours he is not gonna fight like Sanji but he would have survived King blow and that is what is wrong. Sanji should improve on his own: his kicking abilities, his body (strength, speed etc.) instead of adding a RS after more than 900 chapters and make it Sanji main tool (I hope it doesn't happen but rn it seems so). Anyway nobody is discussing the versability but to not reduce Sanji to somebody who relies on his RS alone.

Yup, agree, also most likely he would develop the gomu gomu in some sniper related way (that would be pretty cool actually).
Sanji is a Vinsmoke, when your born a Vinsmoke you get a Raid Suit..... I think its very clear the strength of the individual in the suit matters, otherwise why would Judge have his children train 24/7? and Why would he be so pressed about how strong Sanji is as a child? Sanji is still gonna fight the same way, its just his durability is buffed. Defense is What Sanji always Lacked as a combatant so he needed it. He's not indestructible or anything, Im sure if King Hit Sanji 2 to 3 times with that Same attack Sanji would get fucked up.
 
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