Current Events 2 weeks ago I said I was unhappy with the treatment of Law and Kid in a thread 2 weeks later they are doing amazing things thank you Oda

[Mugiwara56]

Where I can finally say Kid and Law are Luffy's rivals and they really proved it in chapters 1038 and 1039

Are You agree ?

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[rerere]

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

I was just bitching Last week!!! I’ll be the first to admit Both awakening look busted now. Sorry oda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Everybody will be caught up on the visual impact of Laws moves. But the biggest treat was Kids awakening, finally became broken.

After Kid masters awakening, assign will be as broken if not superior to Luffy/Laws FS/Shambles. it’s nearly impossible to dodge his Attacks now, the physical contact headcanon debunked an the magnetic fields are strong enough Gaint meme finds it hard to move.

if Kid use West/east he could make any high tier literally kiss the dirt in front of him lls. Completely unable to move.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Proved to be rivals with Luffy? Absolutely not, Luffy’s soloing a stronger opponent than they have had to extreme diff in a 2 vs 1. And we’ve yet to see what Luffy’s version of Awakening is, whether it’s a new G4, or G5.

They’ve done well, but Luffy’s in a different weight class to them.

 

[Mugiwara56]

Proved to be rivals with Luffy? Absolutely not, Luffy’s soloing a stronger opponent than they have had to extreme diff in a 2 vs 1. And we’ve yet to see what Luffy’s version of Awakening is, whether it’s a new G4, or G5.

They’ve done well, but Luffy’s in a different weight class to them.

I think the gap has narrowed slightly now, of course Luffy is still much stronger. But at least they showed something

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I haven't changed my mind, they're friends, especially Law and Luffy. And Kidd's crew is still too weak. They're not here to rival him.

 

[Roo]

Proved to be rivals with Luffy? Absolutely not, Luffy’s soloing a stronger opponent than they have had to extreme diff in a 2 vs 1. And we’ve yet to see what Luffy’s version of Awakening is, whether it’s a new G4, or G5.

They’ve done well, but Luffy’s in a different weight class to them.

I think Luffy is losing 1 more time so an argument could be made

also rivals don’t have to be of equal strength in shonen

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

Proved to be rivals with Luffy? Absolutely not, Luffy’s soloing a stronger opponent than they have had to extreme diff in a 2 vs 1. And we’ve yet to see what Luffy’s version of Awakening is, whether it’s a new G4, or G5.

They’ve done well, but Luffy’s in a different weight class to them.

Trolls are butthurt lol. Law pushes current luffy to extreme diff. Massively superior feats in many regards..... An Kaido obviously weakened isn’t stronger then current meme.

Anyway Law long range capabilities with amputee/tact/puncture shockwave/ an shambles is The equivalent of a solid low top tier offense.
-Amputee cut anything. an has solid top tier range/Aoe
- tact hurting Kaido/Meme & extreme versatile
-puncture shockwave an island size attack
-shambles allows Law top tier mobility(Hakia dodge prime example).

Considering Luffy has Zoro range ability at all..... Matchups play a huge role, an of course Law being virtually dead tanking G4++ onslaught. An still landing his blows enough to completely take “Current base Luffy”.

Kid wins too, Luffy needs G4 to stand a chance

 

[Jailer]

They may be more of rivals now but I don't think they are as strong as Luffy yet. But Luffy is def not beating them in a 1v2 and all that nonsense.

+ besides strength they need also manpower to match his crew and his grand fleet, so a lot more to consider here.

 

[Mugiwara56]

I haven't changed my mind, they're friends, especially Law and Luffy. And Kidd's crew is still too weak. They're not here to rival him.

It is obvious that Luffy is much stronger than Kid and Law we all know it. What I want to emphasize is that at least they have shown that they are able to pull off very cheat techniques thanks to their fruits and be able to defeat an emperor when they are outnumbered.

But yes Luffy is much stronger individually and even his crew is far superior to that of Kid and Law combined, we all agree on that I think.

 

[ranady]

Where I can finally say Kid and Law are Luffy's rivals and they really proved it in chapters 1038 and 1039

Are You agree ?

@Monkey D Luffy @Monkey D Theories @ReggieZoldyck21 @Lukegranders @Pantheos @rerere @AdmiralKinyagi @Sanji D Cook @Sanji D Goat @King of Hearts @Trafalgar_D_Law @KINGKONGGUN15 @Lance_Dragonite @Chiji_ @AkagamiNoShankusuuu @Erkan12 @Paperchampion23 @Roronoa W. Zoro @Pattoucco @Luffy is the mc

It means oda read your complain in this forum

 

[style]

They're individually at best around 60-65% of Luffy's power or in alternative around the 55-60% (more or less) of a full fledged Yonko

I think that 2 individuals around the 55-60% power of an emperor can win extreme diff a Yonko if they fight together

 

[Garp the Fist]

I think the gap has narrowed slightly now, of course Luffy is still much stronger. But at least they showed something

Kid and Law have basically progressed where I thought they would at the start of the arc- they can take down a top tier with help, and they should now be able to move on and solo one extreme diff.

Luffy’s just completely surpassed expectation

I think Luffy is losing 1 more time so an argument could be made

also rivals don’t have to be of equal strength in shonen

I don’t think it especially matters if Luffy “loses” once more before winning, Kid and Law had “lost” at the start of the last chapter, we just didn’t see it. He’s still performing at a much higher level than the two of them, since he has Kaido’s praise for his ability to take him on in a one vs one.

As for rivals, there’s just nothing really in Kid and Law’s favour. They’re below him in every aspect

-individual strength. I’d argue it looks like Luffy could do solo what they‘ve done as a duo.
-crew strength. Not even close. Luffy’s crew shit all over Kid and Law’s crew put together. Killer is the only crewmate of any note and he’s nowhere near Zoro.
-wider allies. Luffy can call in the Grand Fleet and a host of people he’s met in his travels. Law’s big ally is... Luffy, and Kid’s attempt at an alliance was an unmitigated disaster.

Sure, they’ll bicker together and Oda will give them scenes where they look cool and stand side by side and attack, but overall Kid and Law just can’t match everything that Luffy can bring. Even their victory here- Big Mom’s only here cause Luffy screwed her over. The Strawhats versus a Yonko crew is a fair fight, if it was the Kid Pirates and Heart Pirates combined versus a Yonko crew, the Yonko crew would shit stomp them.

 

[En Taro Tassadar]

dude BM forgot about adCoC

 

[Mugiwara56]

Trolls are butthurt lol. Law pushes current luffy to extreme diff. Massively superior feats in many regards..... An Kaido obviously weakened isn’t stronger then current meme.

Anyway Law long range capabilities with amputee/tact/puncture shockwave/ an shambles is The equivalent of a solid low top tier offense.
-Amputee cut anything. an has solid top tier range/Aoe
- tact hurting Kaido/Meme & extreme versatile
-puncture shockwave an island size attack
-shambles allows Law top tier mobility(Hakia dodge prime example).

Considering Luffy has Zoro range ability at all..... Matchups play a huge role, an of course Law being virtually dead tanking G4++ onslaught. An still landing his blows enough to completely take “Current base Luffy”.

Kid wins too, Luffy needs G4 to stand a chance

Let's not forget that Luffy will show everything. And that Luffy will surely outclass them again, the same way Law was thought equal to Luffy has Dressrosa at first and then Gear 4 appeared.

Afterwards we have not to forget that neither Kid nor Law would have been able to reach Big Mom in 1 vs 1 real.
They are in numerical superiority it is necessary that one forgets this nevertheless.

Luffy has clearly shown him a mind-blowing level with these 3 Advanced Hakis, and the fact that for now he's almost evenly fighting without Gear 4 with the strongest pirate in the world in 1 vs 1 as Kaido said Luffy hasn't released his awakening yet. Luffy hasn't released Gear 4+ Advanced Kings Haki yet.

Neither a new form of Gear 4 or a Gear 5 Be careful not to get carried away either.

They remain rivals of Luffy but honestly Luffy is much stronger than the 2 individually Luffy wins.

I don't think we realize how extremely strong Luffy has become.

 

[Roo]

Kid and Law have basically progressed where I thought they would at the start of the arc- they can take down a top tier with help, and they should now be able to move on and solo one extreme diff.

Luffy’s just completely surpassed expectation



I don’t think it especially matters if Luffy “loses” once more before winning, Kid and Law had “lost” at the start of the last chapter, we just didn’t see it. He’s still performing at a much higher level than the two of them, since he has Kaido’s praise for his ability to take him on in a one vs one.

As for rivals, there’s just nothing really in Kid and Law’s favour. They’re below him in every aspect

-individual strength. I’d argue it looks like Luffy could do solo what they‘ve done as a duo.
-crew strength. Not even close. Luffy’s crew shit all over Kid and Law’s crew put together. Killer is the only crewmate of any note and he’s nowhere near Zoro.
-wider allies. Luffy can call in the Grand Fleet and a host of people he’s met in his travels. Law’s big ally is... Luffy, and Kid’s attempt at an alliance was an unmitigated disaster.

Sure, they’ll bicker together and Oda will give them scenes where they look cool and stand side by side and attack, but overall Kid and Law just can’t match everything that Luffy can bring. Even their victory here- Big Mom’s only here cause Luffy screwed her over. The Strawhats versus a Yonko crew is a fair fight, if it was the Kid Pirates and Heart Pirates combined versus a Yonko crew, the Yonko crew would shit stomp them.

Rivals in shonen are just friends/allies who are strong. I wouldn’t look to much into the logistics of it. What Oda is trying to portray is clear, Law and kid are Luffy’s vegeta

 

[Garp the Fist]

Trolls are butthurt lol. Law pushes current luffy to extreme diff. Massively superior feats in many regards..... An Kaido obviously weakened isn’t stronger then current meme.

Anyway Law long range capabilities with amputee/tact/puncture shockwave/ an shambles is The equivalent of a solid low top tier offense.
-Amputee cut anything. an has solid top tier range/Aoe
- tact hurting Kaido/Meme & extreme versatile
-puncture shockwave an island size attack
-shambles allows Law top tier mobility(Hakia dodge prime example).

Considering Luffy has Zoro range ability at all..... Matchups play a huge role, an of course Law being virtually dead tanking G4++ onslaught. An still landing his blows enough to completely take “Current base Luffy”.

Kid wins too, Luffy needs G4 to stand a chance

Law has zero one vs one feats and needs someone tanky like Kid to take on a Yonko face to face so he can attack them when they’re distracted. He was getting beaten to shit by base CoA punches from Big Mom, ACoC would destroy him. He can’t take Luffy in a straight fight, he’s mid-diffed at best.

And Kaido is stronger than BM, even after the attacks he’s taken. He’s been deriding her all arc for being too weak and old for good reason. He’s the World’s Strongest for a reason.

And how the fuck can you read all these chapters of One Piece and think that the main character with the power of stretching has no ranged abilities?

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Rivals in shonen are just friends/allies who are strong. I wouldn’t look to much into the logistics of it. What Oda is trying to portray is clear, Law and kid are Luffy’s vegeta

If they were Luffy’s Vegeta they would have actually fought him. This isn’t Dragon Ball, and the characters have different dynamics. Kid and Law since Saobody have just been tsundere cool allies to Luffy who are also rookies.

 

[Chiji_]

I’m so glad they look so strong now, Luffy is still ahead but these guys could surely threaten him in a fight I can believe that now.

 

[Roo]

Law has zero one vs one feats and needs someone tanky like Kid to take on a Yonko face to face so he can attack them when they’re distracted. He was getting beaten to shit by base CoA punches from Big Mom, ACoC would destroy him. He can’t take Luffy in a straight fight, he’s mid-diffed at best.

And Kaido is stronger than BM, even after the attacks he’s taken. He’s been deriding her all arc for being too weak and old for good reason. He’s the World’s Strongest for a reason.

And how the fuck can you read all these chapters of One Piece and think that the main character with the power of stretching has no ranged abilities?

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If they were Luffy’s Vegeta they would have actually fought him. This isn’t Dragon Ball, and the characters have different dynamics. Kid and Law since Saobody have just been tsundere cool allies to Luffy who are also rookies.

I actually expect a fight between Kid and luffy at some point which is probably why we have different views of it

 

[Worst]

Proved to be rivals with Luffy? Absolutely not, Luffy’s soloing a stronger opponent than they have had to extreme diff in a 2 vs 1. And we’ve yet to see what Luffy’s version of Awakening is, whether it’s a new G4, or G5.

They’ve done well, but Luffy’s in a different weight class to them.

It's true that Kaido is stronger than BM, but she didn't do much in the rooftop and was definetly in much better condition than Kaido , i think both fights have the same intensity, Kaido took way more damage in the rooftop and fought way more than BM and he's 1v1 vs Luffy while Kidd and Law fought and healthier Yonko ofc luffy is still above them but don't think they're far behind they can definetly rival against him