Current Events 2 weeks ago I said I was unhappy with the treatment of Law and Kid in a thread 2 weeks later they are doing amazing things thank you Oda

#21
It's true that Kaido is stronger than BM, but she didn't do much in the rooftop and was definetly in much better condition than Kaido , i think both fights have the same intensity, Kaido took way more damage in the rooftop and fought way more than BM and he's 1v1 vs Luffy while Kidd and Law fought and healthier Yonko ofc luffy is still above them but don't think they're far behind they can definetly rival against him
I think Luffy will always show that he is way above that. Unlike Kid and Law who showed everything in this fight, Luffy didn't show anything new and yet he is the most impressive with his 3 Advanced Hakis and the fact that he can almost match in 1 against 1 the most pirate strong in the world without Gear 4.

When he goes to use the advanced GEAR 4+ hakis or a new Gear 4 or a fruit awakening or a GEAR 5 it will totally make everyone agree. Luffy always has plenty in store.
 

Worst

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#22
I think Luffy will always show that he is way above that. Unlike Kid and Law who showed everything in this fight, Luffy didn't show anything new and yet he is the most impressive with his 3 Advanced Hakis and the fact that he can almost match in 1 against 1 the most pirate strong in the world without Gear 4.

When he goes to use the advanced GEAR 4+ hakis or a new Gear 4 or a fruit awakening or a GEAR 5 it will totally make everyone agree. Luffy always has plenty in store.
Yea ofc Luffy is above always no matter what but they all got trashed by the yonkos in the first part and they all overcame their obstacle so regardless i don't think Luffy is in a league of his own compared to Kidd / Law , stronger ? For sure, but not in his own league....
 

Garp the Fist

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#23
I actually expect a fight between Kid and luffy at some point which is probably why we have different views of it
They won’t fight. Any hope of that went out of the window in WCI when Luffy got a bounty a billion over him.

There’s zero tension in a fight against Kid because the Strawhats have already blatantly surpassed the Kid Pirates. If there had been an arc straight out of the timeskip, where Kid and Killer still have bounties bigger than Luffy and Zoro, and the rest of the crew can be built up, then yeah, that could have been good. That‘s what I wanted to happen. And even after Dressrosa, if Kid’s alliance had panned out then they could be going in and we’d be thinking as readers “these guys might be equals to each other“, you can match Luffy up with Kid, Zoro with Killer, Law with Hawkins, Sanji with Apoo and stuff like that, alliance to alliance.

That’s gone now. With Oda wanting to get to the end of One Piece, he’s not going to waste time with fights we already know the conclusions to. Absolutely no one thinks that Kid can beat Luffy, we’ve already seen Zoro beat Killer and that was before he got all his King of Hell stuff. Nobody cares about Heat or Wire. I don’t even think the rest have names.
 
#24
Yea ofc Luffy is above always no matter what but they all got trashed by the yonkos in the first part and they all overcame their obstacle so regardless i don't think Luffy is in a league of his own compared to Kidd / Law , stronger ? For sure, but not in his own league....
In fact if we base ourselves on a set of all abilities and bah Luffy is still well ahead. Luffy has all the advanced Hakis and on top of that Luffy has a ridiculous devil fruit compared to Law and Kid's and yet he does amazing things with his fruit. There is one thing I say Luffy is way above Kid and Law for and that is the exploits in the new world since he arrived.

Luffy defeated Doflamingo, Cracker, and Katakuri. Law and Kid didn't beat any commander. Luffy invaded Big Mom's territory, something that has never been done before.

And lots of things And his crew is far stronger than any other supernova crew pirate.

It's a combination of things that I consider Luffy to be in his near league or near his own league.
 
#25
Law has zero one vs one feats
Which doesn’t translate into unable to do so 1-1. Lol Luffy/Zoro fanboys keep pushing that take like it evidence lls. There’s as much proof neither can land attacks 1-1, as proof they can smh.
and needs someone tanky like Kid to take on a Yonko face to face so he can attack them when they’re distracted.
Yea no, Law in a team battle. Him an Kid taking advantage of each other doesn’t translate to “it being impossible to Land solo” troll. The techniques cost massive stamina, an there already fatigued pre fight. It’s nothing more the actual strategy.

We literally see as much this chapter, Meme has ample time to counter/defend against puncture shockwave. Even unloads a barrage of Attacks similar to hybrid Kaido ACoC TB. Kid pulls off assign perfectly fine.
He was getting beaten to shit by base CoA punches from Big Mom, ACoC would destroy him. He can’t take Luffy in a straight fight, he’s mid-diffed at best.
Beaten to shit in an already massively injured state.... An yet remain conscious, an grounded enough to pull off his own move. Basically confirming he can’t tank any of Luffy current moves in spades at full Health. power thro an pull off his own. Difference in damage output massively in laws favor tho....

Hybrid Kaido ACoC TB already failed troll, Law tanks dozens of luffy ACoC attacks. Law kills/cripples Luffy with a single attack, with like 5 different moves!!!!!! In a CqC fight Ur right, Law gets completely washed. But if u stop dickering Luffy an actual scale the other characters combat abilities, then you’d see Law not going to take Luffy on in Cqc. He’ll negate the massive disadvantage with his Long range fight abilities. Where there’s also a massive gap between Law/Luffy
And Kaido is stronger than BM, even after the attacks he’s taken. He’s been deriding her all arc for being too weak and old for good reason. He’s the World’s Strongest for a reason.
headcanon. Nobody stupid enough to think weakened Yonko> full power Yonko . Stop being butthurt
And how the fuck can you read all these chapters of One Piece and think that the main character with the power of stretching has no ranged abilities?
I’m talking about useful range attacks here lol... A character that can dodge island size Aoe, an create island multi mountain range slashes not worried about some 50 yard stretching attack. The difference in long range capabilities, literally as big as the difference in Cqc abilities. Law massively superior offensively & defensively from range
If they were Luffy’s Vegeta they would have actually fought him. This isn’t Dragon Ball, and the characters have different dynamics. Kid and Law since Saobody have just been tsundere cool allies to Luffy who are also rookies.
that in ur opinion
 
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In fact if we base ourselves on a set of all abilities and bah Luffy is still well ahead. Luffy has all the advanced Hakis and on top of that Luffy has a ridiculous devil fruit compared to Law and Kid's and yet he does amazing things with his fruit. There is one thing I say Luffy is way above Kid and Law for and that is the exploits in the new world since he arrived.

Luffy defeated Doflamingo, Cracker, and Katakuri. Law and Kid didn't beat any commander. Luffy invaded Big Mom's territory, something that has never been done before.

And lots of things And his crew is far stronger than any other supernova crew pirate.

It's a combination of things that I consider Luffy to be in his near league or near his own league.
It's a fair point of view
 

Garp the Fist

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#28
Which doesn’t translate into unable to do so 1-1. Lol y’all keep pushing that take like it means something lls.
Yeah, it does translate into that, because while Luffy has shown the ability to go toe to toe with a Yonko, Law has not. He needs a duo. That’s feats and portrayal both miles in favour of Luffy. Where’s the scenes where Law and Big Mom clash equally? Non-existent. There’s zero reason to think he could, because if he could, then Kid wouldn’t have been in the fight.

Yea no, Law in a team battle. Him an Kid taking advantage of each other doesn’t translate to “it being impossible to Land solo” troll.
It translates to Law showing zero ability to do what you said he can. Why should I believe that Law can stand up to Big Mom solo in any way when it’s taken him and Kid extreme diff to beat her as a duo? Especially when Kid’s the one who did most of the tanking face to face?
We literally see as much this chapter, Meme has ample time to counter/defend against puncture shockwave. Even unloads a barrage of Attacks similar to hybrid Kaido ACoC TB.
Ahahaha, surely to god you are not comparing these base CoA punches here



to this attack here



Surely that is not what you are doing. One is a signature attack with ACoC that blitzes and wrecks Law and Zoro together, the other is a bunch of nameless, base CoA punches with zero technique at all. Surely this is not the comparison you are trying to make. Please tell me I’ve misunderstood.

Beaten to shit in an already massively injured state
So he was already massively injured in a 2 vs 1 without ACoC being used, so why the fuck would I think he can do better in a 1 vs 1 against it?
Hybrid Kaido TB already failed troll,
Hybrid Kaido beat the shit out of Law and at the same time a hakf dead Zoro, it’s not a sign he’ll do any good in a one vs one. Kaido only failed because Luffy got in the way, if Luffy wasn’t there Law would be a smear on the ground when Kaido was through with him, and without Zoro‘s excuse of taking Hakai before it.
Law tanks dozens of luffy ACoC. Law kills/cripples Luffy with a single attack, with like 5 different moves!!!!!!
Sure he does lol. I’m sure Luffy will just stand still and let Law land an attack on him. Future Sight, what’s that? Is Kid there to attack Luffy from the front so Law can get him from behind? Maybe like Doffy and Big Mom, Luffy will also just assume Law is dead and leave himself totally exposed?

As for “tanks dozens of ACoC”, again…



…no.
In a CqC fight Ur right, Law gets completely washed.
Which is all that matters in a one vs one. Great. Glad you see that.
But if u stop dickering Luffy an actual scale the other characters combat abilities, then you’d see Law not going to take Luffy on in Cqc. He’ll negate the massive disadvantage with his Long range fight abilities. Where there’s also a massive gap between Law/Luffy
Luffy is too fast and has enough more than enough range of his own to completely neutralise the idea that Law can somehow just stay out of his range and try and land his Wille attacks on him. Doffy and Katakuri were mobile, fast fighters with great range. So’s Kaido tbh with Boro Breath and the sheer speed of an attack like TB. Luffy dealt with all of that.
headcanon. Nobody stupid enough to think weakened Yonko> full power Yonko . Stop being butthurt
The Kaido that Luffy is fighting, right now, would still beat Big Mom. Even after the damage he’s taken. Kaido’s shown zero signs that he’s been held back or fatigued by what he’s taken so far. In fact, Luffy actually said
the last time we see them that his Haki is getting stronger as the fight goes on. Now he’s drinking again and accepted Luffy, he’s only getting better and better.
I talking about useful range attacks here lol... Against a character that can dodge island size Aoe
If you’re talking about Hakai
-Luffy did that too
-Zoro had to block it first.
not worried about some 50 yard stretching attack. The difference in long range capabilities, literally as big as the difference in Cqc abilities. Law massively superior offensively & defensively from range
He‘s got one last gasp attack with super range that requires him to stand still and wait for it to extend lol. You’re acting like every attack Law has is Puncture Wille.

Everything else Law has needs him to get up close and personal to land. Shock Wille, Gamma Knife, Mes, Injection Shot, Counter Shock, so on. There’s zero reason to think his generic slashes will cut through Luffy‘s Haki, so that’s out. I suppose he can throw things at Luffy with Tact, but that’s not exactly gamechanging.

Luffy can take Law no problem. He’s simply too fast, strong and mobile. The entire fight Law would be needing to try and stay on the defensive and ward off Luffy’s attacks, and he can’t do it for long enough. I’ve got no reason to think he’d even land any of his Awakened attacks on him.

No, it’s a fact. Anyone saying otherwise has not read or understood Dragon Ball. Vegeta and Goku’s relationship was fundamentally made by the fact that Vegeta was a genuine villain for most of his first two arcs, nearly killed Goku, and thereafter still had his descent from anti-villain to villain in the Buu Arc, and only after it managed to come to peace with himself and accept Goku as stronger. Kid and Law are nothing like Vegeta. At all. The only thing even close to a Vegeta relationship is One Piece is actually Crocodile in ID, since Buggy is too comedic.
 
#29
Yeah, it does translate into that, because while Luffy has shown the ability to go toe to toe with a Yonko, Law has not. He needs a duo. That’s feats and portrayal both miles in favour of Luffy. Where’s the scenes where Law and Big Mom clash equally? Non-existent. There’s zero reason to think he could, because if he could, then Kid wouldn’t have been in the fight.
The bolds all u need to know about the rest of the paragraph. Lack of feats dnt =equal unable to do, moving on....
It translates to Law showing zero ability to do what you said he can. Why should I believe that Law can stand up to Big Mom solo in any way when it’s taken him and Kid extreme diff to beat her as a duo? Especially when Kid’s the one who did most of the tanking face to face?
Huh?
- So Law hasn’t shown his mobility superior to Meme/Kaido multiple times???

-range abilities Like Takt/puncture shockwave aren’t affective??

-He’s not shown reacting to both in Cqc??

- An he doesn’t Perform puncture shockwave literally while taking amped Yonko attacks(G4+)....
Not doing= not capable not an argument
Ahahaha, surely to god you are not comparing these base CoA punches here



to this attack here



Surely that is not what you are doing.
one is a signature attack with ACoC that blitzes and wrecks Law and Zoro together, the other is a bunch of nameless, base CoA punches with zero technique at all. Surely this is not the comparison you are trying to make. Please tell me I’ve misunderstood.
Speeds/technique irrelevant to the topic...

An the panels of meme match base & hybrid Kaido debunk the rest sorry. Meme currently physically superior to hybrid Kaido ( surely to god ur not comparing base meme to amp meme) using CoA. I know Luffy/Zoro love cherry picking feats, but y’all can’t get away with nonsense.

wrecks Law so much he fine enough to tank dozens of Additional Yonko lvl attacks, virtually at his limit?? All this damage u think Luffy/Kaido ACoC would do has no Merit.
So he was already massively injured in a 2 vs 1 without ACoC being used, so why the fuck would I think he can do better in a 1 vs 1 against it?
He doesn’t need to perform better. The entire point of a team to make ur attacks more affective... what logical sense does make for Law to “risk missing” an attack, if he can “ guarantee a land” with Kids aid. Stop this middle school scaling. An luffy can’t beat any health Yonko anyway so what’s ur point? We’re talking about just fighting one not winner.
Hybrid Kaido beat the shit out of Law and at the same time a hakf dead Zoro, it’s not a sign he’ll do any good in a one vs one. Kaido only failed because Luffy got in the way, if Luffy wasn’t there Law would be a smear on the ground when Kaido was through with him, and without Zoro‘s excuse of taking Hakai before it.
Cherry picked, Laws not even using room at the moment.... Least u can do is pay attention!!! shit no different from FSless luffy getting blizted by TB.

Laws mobility reliant on shambles for the most part. So Kaido blitz circumstantial at best. If it was 1-1 Law uses awakening, an considering ACoA luffy worth dodging to Kaido. Law while not landing as many hits, does vastly more damage then current Luffy before falling. His damage output noticeably above Luffy.
Sure he does lol. I’m sure Luffy will just stand still and let Law land an attack on him. Future Sight, what’s that? Is Kid there to attack Luffy from the front so Law can get him from behind? Maybe like Doffy and Big Mom, Luffy will also just assume Law is dead and leave himself totally exposed?
sure the same way Law, the massively superior Long range fighter. Randomly fighting the vastly superior Luffy in Cqc. Shambles, what’s that? I’m guessing Oda making luffy G4 struggle against range fighters BS.
As for “tanks dozens of ACoC”, again…



…no.
Law tanks Kaido ACoC strongest move!!!! with enough endurance left to take another 10+ attack from another Yonko. Law literally tanks dozens of these shits lol
Which is all that matters in a one vs one. Great. Glad you see that.
Argubly the dumbest things I’ve heard today lol. my god pick up a manga or 2, no wonder u think luffy vastly stronger lls. In most cases Long range fighters are an extremely bad matchup for Cqc reliant fighters. Anyway Cqc isn’t the only aspect of fighting!!!! Do u think the admirals are physically as gifted as Kaido in Cqc? Despite having massively superior long range capabilities? Luffy brawling is not the only fighting style in one piece. Law against physically superior enemies unlike Luffy has a different set of skill to use.
Luffy is too fast
nope,
and has enough more than enough range of his own to completely neutralise the idea that Law can somehow just stay out of his range and try and land his Wille attacks on him.
Bold nonsensical name these imaginary range feats....

doffy/Fuji combine had trouble pinning law down. Thanks to his mobility, if Law make it his goal to avoid Cqc. luffy struggling to even get near him. His range capabilities are below Doffy/Fuji individually. It’s nothing compared to both simultaneously. So ur argument makes no sense luffy range ability are a non threat to Law.
Doffy and Katakuri were mobile, fast fighters with great range. So’s Kaido tbh with Boro Breath and the sheer speed of an attack like TB. Luffy dealt with all of that.
An both utilize those abilities to make it extremely problematic for Luffy to get into Cqc. Law mobility/Range offense >>>Kata/Doffy. Kaido has 1 freaking Aoe stop the cap. No clue why ur pretending vast superior range capabilities can’t do shit to throw luffy off.
The Kaido that Luffy is fighting, right now, would still beat Big Mom.
Even after the damage he’s taken. Kaido’s shown zero signs that he’s been held back or fatigued by what he’s taken so far. In fact, Luffy actually said
the last time we see them that his Haki is getting stronger as the fight goes on. Now he’s drinking again and accepted Luffy, he’s only getting better and better.
Nope, that’s not even worth anybody time. Doesn’t matter anyway Laws damage output >>> Luffy. We already know Law can damage Kaido much more the ACoC base luffy.
If you’re talking about Hakai
-Luffy did that too
-Zoro had to block it first.
the block only slowed it down. Luffy dodged nothing, he’d saved by laws vastly superior mobility. An even if he does Law mobility still has better feats.
He‘s got one last gasp attack with super range that requires him to stand still and wait for it to extend lol. You’re acting like every attack Law has is Puncture Wille.

Everything else Law has needs him to get up close and personal to land. Shock Wille, Gamma Knife, Mes, Injection Shot, Counter Shock, so on. There’s zero reason to think his generic slashes will cut through Luffy‘s Haki, so that’s out. I suppose he can throw things at Luffy with Tact, but that’s not exactly gamechanging.
Law only needs to extends the blade to increase range... In puncture shockwaves case, It required time to extend the blade somewhere. Specifically to lessen the Aoe of the feat. No indication he needs to remain still tho, it reaches Wano extreme fast anyway. So hardly slow. amputee/Takt are both still effective aswell.

- Takt shown causing legit damage to Kaido/Meme, an on top of the massive Aoe helping counteract FS. It also can be used to attack from multiple angles at once. Blunt Force immunities irrelevant, law can make them piercing attacks

-Amputee the while potentially ineffective, requires luffy to spam Haki to defend. Which can help drain luffy ACoC much faster. Aoe also massive
Luffy can take Law no problem. He’s simply too fast, strong and mobile. The entire fight Law would be needing to try and stay on the defensive and ward off Luffy’s attacks, and he can’t do it for long enough. I’ve got no reason to think he’d even land any of his Awakened attacks on him.
One feat even comparable to Stalling Fuji/Doffy with just simultaneously with just mobility/reaction speed.... The entire fights basically luffy trying to find some way into close range. Increasing the risk of fallin into Laws Hax. I have no reason to believe someone that can tag/react to Kaido in close Range can’t do the same to luffy.
No, it’s a fact. Anyone saying otherwise has not read or understood Dragon Ball. Vegeta and Goku’s relationship was fundamentally made by the fact that Vegeta was a genuine villain for most of his first two arcs, nearly killed Goku, and thereafter still had his descent from anti-villain to villain in the Buu Arc, and only after it managed to come to peace with himself and accept Goku as stronger. Kid and Law are nothing like Vegeta. At all. The only thing even close to a Vegeta relationship is One Piece is actually Crocodile in ID, since Buggy is too comedic.
Ur opinion not feat fanboy....
 
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Reborn

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#30
Two Years ago BM fans were disappointed with her portrayal


Now situation is far more worse for them lma


OT - Law and kidd aren't luffy's rival. Only BB is.


This rivalry is shattered the moment oda said Law and kidd are fighting to hold off BM to prevent her going to roof to interfere in Luffy vs kaido. This implies that are behaving more like SH crew/allies than rivals
 

Pantheos

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#31
Proved to be rivals with Luffy? Absolutely not, Luffy’s soloing a stronger opponent than they have had to extreme diff in a 2 vs 1. And we’ve yet to see what Luffy’s version of Awakening is, whether it’s a new G4, or G5.

They’ve done well, but Luffy’s in a different weight class to them.
I doubt the "stronger opponent"-Part.
Bigger mum seems to be stronger than Hybrid Kaido right now. WIth her homies, her attack soul, the healfactor... she is more impressive. If i would need to explain it in numbers, i would say it like that:

100 Law + Kid Team Up
98 Bigger Mum
95 Kaido
93 Luffy right now
90 Kid / Law separately
 
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Herrera95

#32
Where I can finally say Kid and Law are Luffy's rivals and they really proved it in chapters 1038 and 1039

Are You agree ?
Agree. Both rivals on bullshit illogical whatever panels.

Kid and Law could have had a good fight against BM. But Oda made only stupid bullshit that anyone with a brain wouldn't enjoy it.
 

Finalbeta

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#33
They did amazingly. Their synergy is spectacular, in fact had they been alone they would have probably been taken out relatively easily by Big Mom. They are definitely not yonko level guys but they still managed to shock both the fantasy world of One Piece and the Real one.
 
#34
I doubt the "stronger opponent"-Part.
Bigger mum seems to be stronger than Hybrid Kaido right now. WIth her homies, her attack soul, the healfactor... she is more impressive. If i would need to explain it in numbers, i would say it like that:

100 Law + Kid Team Up
98 Bigger Mum
95 Kaido
93 Luffy right now
90 Kid / Law separately
I don't agree with your ranking but I think Law and Kid are Luffy's rivals. In my opinion, Kid and Law together cannot be said to be stronger than Big Mom. Why ? Because BM repeatedly beat them outnumbered.

On top of that, based on all Physical, Haki, and Devil Fruit stats, Bm is totally superior to them. If by some miracle Bm is still standing next, it's because in the end she's really too strong for Kid and Law.

@Pantheos
 

Garp the Fist

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#37
The bolds all u need to know about the rest of the paragraph. Lack of feats dnt =equal unable to do, moving on....
Yeah, I’m not giving Law the beneift of the doubt and for some reason assuming he can 1 vs 1 a Yonko when it’s just taken him an extreme diff 2 vs 1 to do it.

Cause that’s delusional wank with nothing to support it. Might as well try and argue he could beat Doffy solo in Dressrosa.
Huh?
- So Law hasn’t shown his mobility superior to Meme/Kaido multiple times???

-range abilities Like Takt/puncture shockwave aren’t affective??

-He’s not shown reacting to both in Cqc??

- An he doesn’t Perform puncture shockwave literally while taking amped Yonko attacks(G4+)....
Not doing= not capable not an argument
In all the times Luffy has fought Big Mom and Kaido he landed a grand total of one attack on them in a straight one vs one- Gamma Knife. Which was against the weakest form of Kaido, Dragon Kaido. And did next to nothing to him.

There is zero reason to think he can take on a Yonko solo. If he could, Kid would not have been necessary. And vice-versa. Meanwhile, Luffy is actively telling everyone else to leave him alone and let him take on Kaido solo. The difference in class is clear.

Speeds/technique irrelevant to the topic...

An the panels of meme match base & hybrid Kaido debunk the rest sorry. Meme currently physically superior to hybrid Kaido ( surely to god ur not comparing base meme to amp meme) using CoA. I know Luffy/Zoro love cherry picking feats, but y’all can’t get away with nonsense.

wrecks Law so much he fine enough to tank dozens of Additional Yonko lvl attacks, virtually at his limit?? All this damage u think Luffy/Kaido ACoC would do has no Merit.
Speed/technique is not irrelevant though, you just want it to be because it’s clearly a sign of Law’s deficiencies in a straight fight.

Kaido fucking humiliated Law with Thunder Bagua. Humiliated.



Law’s on guard, he’s prepared to get step in, Kaido looks him straight in the eye and tells him he’s going to wreck his shit. And does. Law looks no more capable there than Luffy did at the start of the arc.

And every normal person who reads One Piece will clearly tell you that attack is miles stronger than Big Mom throwing those punches at him. No matter it it is Bigger Mom. You seriously trying to argue that base, nameless, CoA punches, while she’s lying on her back, zero technique, are somehow stronger than an ACoC Thunder Bagua from hybrid Kaido? Just cause Big Mom used up her lifespan to make herself bigger? That’s pathetic levels of delusion. There’s more reason to think the ACoC attack she used on fucking Page One was stronger.


He doesn’t need to perform better. The entire point of a team to make ur attacks more affective... what logical sense does make for Law to “risk missing” an attack, if he can “ guarantee a land” with Kids aid. Stop this middle school scaling. An luffy can’t beat any health Yonko anyway so what’s ur point? We’re talking about just fighting one not winner.
Lol, sure, Law‘s been taken to an extreme diff in a 2 vs 1 but I’m sure he’d be just as effective in a one vs one. Sure. Wouldn’t need to perform any better at all.

He needed Kid’s aid to land the attack full stop. That’s why it was a 2 vs 1. This is basic shit.

And we’ve seen all that Big Mom can do now. Luffy can beat her. She’s done nothing to put herself above him now.
Cherry picked, Laws not even using room at the moment.... Least u can do is pay attention!!! shit no different from FSless luffy getting blizted by TB.
Because Law’s too fucking slow to react lol. This is not “cherry picking”, this is just the plain truth, Kaido blitzed fuck out of Law. Law’s not in his league.
doffy/Fuji combine had trouble pinning law down. Thanks to his mobility, if Law make it his goal to avoid Cqc. luffy struggling to even get near him. His range capabilities are below Doffy/Fuji individually. It’s nothing compared to both simultaneously. So ur argument makes no sense luffy range ability are a non threat to Law.
Doffy and Fuji smacked fuck out of a Law who was running like hell away from them, let their guard down and let him escape, then Doffy thrashed him in a 1 vs 1 when he caught up with him again. His mobility wasn’t much good then. Think he managed to scratch Doffy’s cheek?

So sure, if all Law is trying to do is run away from Luffy I’m sure he’ll do a great job. Not a successful strategy in actually putting up a fight though.
sure the same way Law, the massively superior Long range fighter. Randomly fighting the vastly superior Luffy in Cqc. Shambles, what’s that? I’m guessing Oda making luffy G4 struggle against range fighters BS.
This amazing long range fighter you think Law is simply does not exist.
Law tanks Kaido ACoC strongest move!!!! with enough endurance left to take another 10+ attack from another Yonko. Law literally tanks dozens of these shits lol
In reality, Law is almost dead after one ACoC hit from Kaido- not his strongest, just his signature attack- and a punch of Homie attacks from Big Mom and a few basic CoA hits.

Argubly the dumbest things I’ve heard today lol. my god pick up a manga or 2, no wonder u think luffy vastly stronger lls. In most cases Long range fighters are an extremely bad matchup for Cqc reliant fighters.
Ahahahahaha what? Where are you getting this from? Is Yassop the strongest character in OP now or something?

You just keep spamming this long ranged fighter bullshit and I don’t think you actually know what it means. If Law was a long ranged fighter, he wouldn’t need to get into close range to his opponents to land his attacks. Law does. If he was the long range fighter you think he is, see Puncture Wille? Where Law tanks those super impressive attacks by Big Mom your so amazed by? She wouldn’t be landing them on him, because he’d be nowhere fucking near her. That’s what long range is.
Anyway Cqc isn’t the only aspect of fighting!!!! Do u think the admirals are physically as gifted as Kaido in Cqc? Despite having massively superior long range capabilities? Luffy brawling is not the only fighting style in one piece. Law against physically superior enemies unlike Luffy has a different set of skill to use.
I think it’s by far the most effective method of fighting, which is why when we see people like the Admirals or Whitebeard or Kaido or Big Mom fight for real, instead of just spamming their attacks from distance to wipe out fodder, they actually get up close and personal and engage in CQC.
Yep. You’ve got the same problem most Sanji fans have, you’ve got this imaginary version of Law in your head that just zips around avoiding attacks with ease. When in real life people push him, up close and personal, and it makes him struggle. Luffy is extremely fast, he will have no issue dealing with shambles.

Bold nonsensical name these imaginary range feats....
… every attack Luffy has that involves stretching. Which is most of them. Range has never been an issue for Luffy, he can get up close, or he can attack from middle distance.
doffy/Fuji combine had trouble pinning law down. Thanks to his mobility, if Law make it his goal to avoid Cqc. luffy struggling to even get near him. His range capabilities are below Doffy/Fuji individually. It’s nothing compared to both simultaneously. So ur argument makes no sense luffy range ability are a non threat to Law.
Again, is Law going to be trying to fight Luffy, or is he going to be running like a bitch?
An both utilize those abilities to make it extremely problematic for Luffy to get into Cqc. Law mobility/Range offense >>>Kata/Doffy. Kaido has 1 freaking Aoe stop the cap. No clue why ur pretending vast superior range capabilities can’t do shit to throw luffy off.
Luffy had zero problem getting into CQC with either or them, what are you talking about?

And Kaido has plenty of ranged attacks. Bolo breath, Tatsumaki, Kaifu, Kongo Kabura. Range or AoE (why you talking about AoE all of a sudden) is not a problem to him.
Nope, that’s not even worth anybody time. Doesn’t matter anyway Laws damage output >>> Luffy. We already know Law can damage Kaido much more the ACoC base luffy.
Yawn, nope, doesn’t matter. We’ve seen all that Law can do, we’ve yet to see everything Luffy can. He’ll have attacks that beat Kaido, Law’s best couldnKt take down Big Mom.
the block only slowed it down. Luffy dodged nothing, he’d saved by laws vastly superior mobility. An even if he does Law mobility still has better feats.
Nothing says Luffy was saved by Hakai by Law, and absolutely no one in the manga cares at all about Law’s contribution, all credit goes to Zoro.

Law only needs to extends the blade to increase range... In puncture shockwaves case, It required time to extend the blade somewhere. Specifically to lessen the Aoe of the feat. No indication he needs to remain still tho, it reaches Wano extreme fast anyway. So hardly slow. amputee/Takt are both still effective aswell.

- Takt shown causing legit damage to Kaido/Meme, an on top of the massive Aoe helping counteract FS. It also can be used to attack from multiple angles at once. Blunt Force immunities irrelevant, law can make them piercing attacks

-Amputee the while potentially ineffective, requires luffy to spam Haki to defend. Which can help drain luffy ACoC much faster. Aoe also massive
Luffy has been taking attacks that shit all over Takt for ages now, there’s no reason to think it’ll damage him much at all. Are we trying to pretend that Takt is somehow stronger than Hybrid Kaido drunk ACoC attacks? It’s not even something that hurt Kaido or Big Mom much, it’s just a bogstandard move Law has.

And again, zero reason to think that Law spam his huge amputee attacks to drain an opponents Haki to make them defend against it. At no point did Law try or suggest that would be a thing against Law, and from what Law has said of using his DF, trying that is more likely to tire him out than his opponent.
One feat even comparable to Stalling Fuji/Doffy with just simultaneously with just mobility/reaction speed.... The entire fights basically luffy trying to find some way into close range. Increasing the risk of fallin into Laws Hax. I have no reason to believe someone that can tag/react to Kaido in close Range can’t do the same to luffy.
Jesus Christ, why are you so impressed with Law running away from Doflamingo and Fujitora? It’s just not impressive. Bounceman was miles more impressive than it, never mind Snakeman.
Ur opinion not feat fanboy....
No, this is objective fact. If you’re comparing Law or Kid to Vegeta you can’t read.
 
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Proved to be rivals with Luffy? Absolutely not, Luffy’s soloing a stronger opponent than they have had to extreme diff in a 2 vs 1. And we’ve yet to see what Luffy’s version of Awakening is, whether it’s a new G4, or G5.

They’ve done well, but Luffy’s in a different weight class to them.
Not only that, Law is practically his mate and Kid doesn't have any actual animosity towards Luffy.They just can't be rivals at this point regardless of their strength comparison.
(I still think they would beat Luffy in a 2 v 1 though).
 
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