Speculations 20 Chapters In: We Still Haven’t Met The Main Villain Of Elbaf Or Luffy’s Fight
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I have Luffy vs Loki while the others deal with the HKs.
As for the stakes, outside from Nika vs Nika, I think It was foreshadowed pretty hard, with Loki having the literal perfect power to destory Erbaf, that the destruction of Erbaf through lightning/flames Is going to be the (usual) countdown.
I agree with you for Shanks tbh, but:
- all gov. members are meant to stay until the final war imho;
- the Revos have as objective that, so they too are going to be around until the very end;
- Akainu Is probably going to fall before Luffy can attack Marijoa;
- Koby Is probably going to have a role in the final war or against BB;
- BB and Kuzan are the final enemies for Raftel;
- Buggy is going to be around until the end.
Imho, for these character we are really talking about the last 1 or 2 arcs of the final saga. Real, deep EoS.
As for the stakes, outside from Nika vs Nika, I think It was foreshadowed pretty hard, with Loki having the literal perfect power to destory Erbaf, that the destruction of Erbaf through lightning/flames Is going to be the (usual) countdown.
I agree with you for Shanks tbh, but:
- all gov. members are meant to stay until the final war imho;
- the Revos have as objective that, so they too are going to be around until the very end;
- Akainu Is probably going to fall before Luffy can attack Marijoa;
- Koby Is probably going to have a role in the final war or against BB;
- BB and Kuzan are the final enemies for Raftel;
- Buggy is going to be around until the end.
Imho, for these character we are really talking about the last 1 or 2 arcs of the final saga. Real, deep EoS.
But none of these characters should have background focus (outside of Garling and Shamrock tbh) literally all of them have massive build up, so relegating them to basically background characters makes zero sense.
Most of these characters will fall before Luffy becomes PK,
Shanks
Blackbeard
Akainu
Garling
Shamrock
Kuzan
Probably dragon too tbh.
Most of these characters will fall before Luffy becomes PK,
Shanks
Blackbeard
Akainu
Garling
Shamrock
Kuzan
Probably dragon too tbh.
I do agree some of them have massive build up but then i also don't think that mean much for fights .
The Kizaru vs luffy change my whole mind on this when the fight was chapter and half and look like it was revenge base match ( it end up being none of this )
Akainu and Sabo could be background and then take center stage and fight done in one chpater .
Dragon and garling could be 2 chpater while rest revs just fighting in the back ground .
The Kizaru vs luffy change my whole mind on this when the fight was chapter and half and look like it was revenge base match ( it end up being none of this )
Akainu and Sabo could be background and then take center stage and fight done in one chpater .
Dragon and garling could be 2 chpater while rest revs just fighting in the back ground .
Zoro's grandma is Shimotsuki Furiko
This is in SBS 105, BTW: https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_105#Chapter_1062,_Page_132
Zoro is a Shimotsuki, he and the people of Wano just have no idea that he is one.
Edit: Arashi "died in a battle with Pirates"
The Beast Pirates. Zoro's father, Roronoa Arashi, died fighting the Beast Pirates in Wano, after hearing the country had fallen, I believe.
Zoro's grandfather Pinzoro lived on the Island Shimotsuki Village was founded on. The Shimotsuki settlers saved the island from a pirate attack, then founded Shimotsuki Village. Arashi was born between Pinzoro from that island marrying Furiko, a Shimotsuki clanswoman who had travelled from Wano.
btw I think zoro father and grandfather was pirates and probably had connections to rocks. The name roronoa comes from francois I’olonnais French ruthless pirate who was know for taking people heart apparently and invading lands etc. I think zoro father and grandfather was ruthless pirates and probably allied with rocks.
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Oda made Ushimaru and Ryuuma look just like Zoro for a reason lol. Zoro is literally a Shimotsuki by genetics regardless. He just doesn't have the Shimotsuki surname as his grandmother was the Shimotsuki and thus she would take the Roronoa name in marriage and her son with Pinzoro (lmao) is Roronoa instead of Shimotsuki by surname and thus so is our favourite Marimo.
He was even raised in "Shimotsuki Village".
Shimotsuki Village[1] is a village in East Blue and Roronoa Zoro's homeland. It was founded by pirates, around 55 years ago.[2]
The village was named after Shimotsuki Kouzaburou, a member of the Shimotsuki Family from Wano Country and one of the village's aforementioned founders.
Its kinda like how Hyuugas had the main family and the branch family or w/e too in Naruto I guess? Depending how this plays out?
Not to mention Zoro fought his own doppelganger and legendary ancestor the "Sword God" himself Ryuuma ofc. And was bequeathed his sword by beating him. Almost like it was an ancestral inheritance, being passed down to the one who truly deserves it especially under typical/traditional Japanese beliefs?
Although this makes it awkward for people think he had a crush on Kuina and I think the anime made that more "obvious" too?
I think in the future zoro will go by shimotsuki zoro and create small branch by the name of roronoa family under shimotsuki.
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I don't think they will all get there own arc
Oda say the last war going make everything before it look small.
I think he going want to merge storylines to finish the manga faster .
The biggest war manga ever seen can't be Yonko vs marines or group vs 2 yonko again .
Hell egghead in way was bigger war than what happen on wano when it come to odds vs the SH .
You can't have the biggest war manga ever see with just 2 groups vs each we already pass that with marineford , wano and egghead .
Oda say the last war going make everything before it look small.
I think he going want to merge storylines to finish the manga faster .
The biggest war manga ever seen can't be Yonko vs marines or group vs 2 yonko again .
Hell egghead in way was bigger war than what happen on wano when it come to odds vs the SH .
You can't have the biggest war manga ever see with just 2 groups vs each we already pass that with marineford , wano and egghead .
BB is losing in god valley imo. The final fight is Luffy vs Imu is the final fight in the manga.
the biggest war will be Luffy and the entire world vs Imu and his forces. Thats already enough because of the ancient weapons will one hundred percent be utilized and will decide the fate of the very world.
The fastest way to finish the manga is streamlining multiple combat arcs, instead of combining them. (Look at the fourth great ninja war. Shit was a quarter of all of Naruto)
the biggest war will be Luffy and the entire world vs Imu and his forces. Thats already enough because of the ancient weapons will one hundred percent be utilized and will decide the fate of the very world.
The fastest way to finish the manga is streamlining multiple combat arcs, instead of combining them. (Look at the fourth great ninja war. Shit was a quarter of all of Naruto)
Zoro's father died to pirates IIRC. His mother died of illness. Its most likely whilst Zoro is a "pirate hunter" too.
Thats really interesting though, I keep forgetting about that Francois connection, thank you for reminding me of it! Taking people's hearts? Huh interesting...Law took 100 pirates hearts from Hachinosu during the Rocky Port Incident and became a Warlord/Shichibukai due to it too.
Ah I get you about the clan stuff now, that makes sense. Oda really fucked up with Zoro in Wano and thats why we're getting so much of this stuff in SBS Piece, when it SHOULD have been in the manga and thus been his arc and major reveals for him like WCI and a bit of Zou was for Sanji, sigh.
That's true yeah, he doesn't seem to care about his lineage but that doesn't seem right to me somehow, I feel Zoro would care even if he doesn't admit it but to not be so super serious about it, just aware and respectful I guess?
Idk what Oda is planning with Zoro anymore and where he's going with this. His writing with Ushimaru was so confusing and really misleading too. Never forget Green Bull Ushimaru as Zoro's father too RIP.
Thats really interesting though, I keep forgetting about that Francois connection, thank you for reminding me of it! Taking people's hearts? Huh interesting...Law took 100 pirates hearts from Hachinosu during the Rocky Port Incident and became a Warlord/Shichibukai due to it too.
Ah I get you about the clan stuff now, that makes sense. Oda really fucked up with Zoro in Wano and thats why we're getting so much of this stuff in SBS Piece, when it SHOULD have been in the manga and thus been his arc and major reveals for him like WCI and a bit of Zou was for Sanji, sigh.
That's true yeah, he doesn't seem to care about his lineage but that doesn't seem right to me somehow, I feel Zoro would care even if he doesn't admit it but to not be so super serious about it, just aware and respectful I guess?
Idk what Oda is planning with Zoro anymore and where he's going with this. His writing with Ushimaru was so confusing and really misleading too. Never forget Green Bull Ushimaru as Zoro's father too RIP.
Imu don't have enough forces vs luffy if you taking away marines ( Akainu , shamrock and garling ( holy knights and elders etc etc before the fight)
Are going give Imu another AW because luffy don't give fuck about it and i doubt you going have Shirahoshi out there using seas king during that war .
Plus AW can't be spam because then the world would just sink so they can't be use often in the last war but only as count down .
Are going give Imu another AW because luffy don't give fuck about it and i doubt you going have Shirahoshi out there using seas king during that war .
Plus AW can't be spam because then the world would just sink so they can't be use often in the last war but only as count down .
Imu has a solid chance of siding with Cross Guild imo. They’re a crew without a Luffy opponent afterall. And their goal of building Utopia (another term for heaven) using the pluton and other military might surpassing the current WGs aligns with Imus goals.
Buggys Gag of falling upward by allying with those far greater than him would also fit with him becoming king of the world by becoming Imus public face and Mihawks role in the story necessitates him being in the final war all aligns to CG and Pluton working under Imu.
Buggys Gag of falling upward by allying with those far greater than him would also fit with him becoming king of the world by becoming Imus public face and Mihawks role in the story necessitates him being in the final war all aligns to CG and Pluton working under Imu.
Buggy is not siding with Imu he want to be PK king and depending on what happen to shanks he will want it even more .( like if shanks killed)
Mihawk is not going be following anyone orders and be fighting vs the SH and his forces.
You have Croc but he also don't like to be order around by anyone and you can't build a utopia when the world under water and Imu would never let him chose who to bring )
In fact it make no sense for Imu to join with anyone he look down on everyone even CDs why would he even join with CG or want a normal person to be his public face etc etc.
Buggy is fall upward but it come after everything is done it don't be a big driving point of the story .
Plus CG don't even have forces to match luffy if you take away all the other stuff from Imu there are poor replacements for marines, Hk, elders etc etc .
Mihawk is not going be following anyone orders and be fighting vs the SH and his forces.
You have Croc but he also don't like to be order around by anyone and you can't build a utopia when the world under water and Imu would never let him chose who to bring )
In fact it make no sense for Imu to join with anyone he look down on everyone even CDs why would he even join with CG or want a normal person to be his public face etc etc.
Buggy is fall upward but it come after everything is done it don't be a big driving point of the story .
Plus CG don't even have forces to match luffy if you take away all the other stuff from Imu there are poor replacements for marines, Hk, elders etc etc .
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