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Who wins this battle? (Any difficult)


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#41
@Rumble In general, this RSJ/Renpa army has so much brainpower (and even versatility) with RSJ, Renpa, Genpou and Kyouen especially, that it's just really hard for me to see it bested. Quite a few on this team are really dangerous even when operating on their own.

Doubtful that Riboku is so damn good that he can engineer a situation Rinshoujo cannot respond to, when he's got all that to work with.
RSJ and Ren Pa have many subs that can think for themselves and act accordingly.

However, I would say that in any conflict, especially one as high leverage as this one, there will usually be only one cook in the kitchen. Ri Boku doesn't have to think for everyone, he just has to come up with a plan they can follow and stick to, and we've know he's good at that sort of thing since his introduction at Bayou.

Whatever solutions he will consider, they're going to be narrow in scope. RBK would know that his side doesn't have have as many routes to victory so most likely whatever he instructions he would have for them would be limited to begin with. Combine that with the knowledge we know these subs are pretty elite at following orders and you can see merits of the trade-offs.
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Oh god, Ousen gets shitstomped. What exactly does Akou change? Lmfao

Akou would be lucky to extreme diff Kansaro or Gakushou in a straight up battle. There is no way he can hold off multiple of Shibashou’s subs and Shibashou himself. Absolutely not a chance in hell. At best Akou will stall out just one of Shibashou’s generals. Meanwhile Denrimi and Sou Ou/Shiryou can maybe hold off two more. That leaves Ousen alone to deal with Shibashou (and if we give Shibashou Jyoukaryuu it gets even worse). Which on a flat land scenario, yeah Shibashou is smoking Ousen like a joint as we saw at Hango. There is no hypothetical scenario where Ousen alone does better against Shibashou alone than he did at Hango on flat terrain.
Functional A Kou + HSU + Gyoku Hou.

Not JUST A Kou. Why are you pretending l wrote that?

Yes. 100 times out 100, Shibashou picks his teeth with Ousen’s bones on flat land.
I want you to be clear on what you're committing to, so to be absolutely clear

You are saying this army
  • SBS
  • Kan Saro
  • Gaku Shou
  • Ji Aga
  • Jyou Ka Ryuu
  • Fuu On
  • En Kan
BEATS the combined strength of the Ou Sen Army, Hi Shin Unit and Gyoku Hou?

You must have been smoking when you read Riboku’s statement on Shin lmfao.

Riboku never said Shin would be too much of a threat for Shibashou or even his subs.

What Riboku said was Shin was a troublesome opponent who could impede Zhao’s overwhelming victory. Riboku absolutely never said Shin could ever best anyone from Seika.
Ri Boku invoked Hou Ken's name and Shin's ability to slay him. He spent a year expending resources on tunnel networks and earthworks. It is undeniable RBK deemed it mission critical SBS did not run into Shin, common sense tells you it's because he wasn't confident in the outcome.

How could he have been, considering he witnessed Shin slay Hou Ken on an empty stomach after 2 weeks of fighting?

Whether RBK believes SBS would win or lose is immaterial, that he considers it too risky is what matters.

I don’t know how many times we have to discuss Houken before yall realize he was an anomaly who Shin only killed because he lacked weight. A far healthier Shin failed to kill Gyou’Un for an afternoon and even collapsed after that fight while Gyou’Un rode off just fine. Shin absolutely is still at risk of being killed by a Heavenly King level warrior. Hell, Shin beat Gakuhaku Kou via weapon discrepancy and not martial prowess lmfao. In terms of martial prowess Gakuhaku Kou was completely superior to Shin in every aspect.
It takes more than extremely strong weight to take down Hou Ken. It took everything Ou Ki had. Duke Hyou didn't have enough.

Gyou'un wasn't fine either, he also reached his limits for the day despite having the advantage.


Shin did beat Buddha with martial prowess. He figured out his weakness and then took him out in 2 moves. That fight is his most skill based fight outside Hou Ken and Rin Ko.

BRUH Jyoukaryuu had a fucking arrow through his arm lmfaooooooo
He didn't even fight with it. There's a literally a split second removed between JKR gettting hit with the arrow and Shin nearly killed him with a single hit.

Prior to that he and his henchmen were swarming Shin, but you conveniently leave that out.

We should be far past the point where people gauge the Shin vs Jyoukaryuu matchup from an instant where Jyoukaryuu had an arrow shot through one of his arms but here we are lmfao. I don’t know why so many people lie about this character. I guess that’s easier then just accepting that Shin still hasn’t past Heavenly King level lol.
Only you deliberately ignore and leave things out that don't agree with you.

You want to fixate on the arrow like we weren't talking about Shin getting swarmed prior to it. There was no actual, meaningful 1v1, again, the panels you posted disagree with your own findings.

Because Qin was lacking in commanders compared to Zhao. And even then, the positions Shin and Ouhon held were no more significant than the positions held by Bananji and Shunsuiju. Hell, Bananji and Shunsuiju were given Yotanwa to hold off, while Shin was tasked with Enkan. lol
The Q3 have been considered valued assets important to Qin's future long before generals started dropping like flies. They've been pivotal in every major war, campaign and battle for the past decade and a half.

They were more important and valueable to Qin than any Seika general is now before Shukai even began. Even as unit commanders. Your scaling is completely out of whack.

I must have dreamed Gakuhaku Kou low diffing Ouhon and Gakushou negging Mouten. There is literally no evidence that they have cleared that level yet.

Kanki defeated Kochou himself with a 3:1 disadvantage but Mouten and Shin join forces and Mouten still lost to Gakushou. But sure, the Q3 are convincingly above that level! lol
Ignoring Ou Hon was given a suicide mission on impossible terrain and pretending Kan Ki had anything to do with it being conquered is certainly an interesting spin.

Kan Ki didn't do nearly enough to warrant beginning any sentence with "Kan Ki defeated Ko Chou" - it simply isn't true. Ko Chou was defeated by the joint efforts of Shin, Ou Hon, Kyou Kai, A Ka Kin, and Kan Ki.

The Wei troops were said to be the hardiest in China at Sanyou. At best I expect Renpa to only be slightly more effective commanding troops from his own state. The direct elites fighting under Renpa and his HK were from Zhao anyway.
Dawg, "only slightly more effective" is just crazy.

Since when? We have not once seen Renpa earn a victory from fighting Head on. Renpa defeated Gakujou by attacking him from the rear, attacked Mougou by attacking him from the rear, checked Ousen via baiting him into a scenario where Renpa could surround him, etc…

Where is this mythical scenario where Renpa has utilized a headon clash to win a battle?
Since always. He's a martial type general that's considered to be unbeatable in a direct clash by Ri Boku. He was disappointed when Ou Sen didn't give him his match. He went out to Sanyou in the first place for such a confrontation.

Ren Pa prefers a head on clash. Do you have any real reason to dispute something so obvious?

The opposite. With the exception of Kaishibou, Shibashou’s generals would smoke the Heavenly Kings head on.

Genpou retreated from a young Ouhon and Shin. Tell me Genpou stands a chance with the likes of Kansaro or Jiaga charging at him.

Rinko is in legitimate one shot range for Shibashou’s guys, I don’t think we even need to discuss him.

Kyou En is tricky but he doesn’t exactly excel at brute force. His whole forte in war is speed and traditional tactics. With his archery he could potentially kill anyone but in terms of a headon clash he isn’t withstanding Shibashou’s generals unless he can snipe them.

Yeah, only Kaishibou can match the brute power of Shibashou’s subs.
Yeah, I don't see eye to eye on any of this, our scales are completely out of synch.
 
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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#42
Functional A Kou + HSU + Gyoku Hou.

Not JUST A Kou. Why are you pretending l wrote that?
Well you literally said “Ousen alone vs Shibashou alone”, you can go back to my quote and see where you said this but I’ll answer the question anyway:

Yeah I think I said it in my last comment too, but Shin and Ouhon are like, only slightly above Heavenly King level at Hango. I don’t see in what way Ousen + 2HK’s would beat Shibashou and 4HK’s in a flat land battle scenario. Shin and Ouhon are upset commanders who can potentially kill anyone to be sure but I’ll still favor Shibashou most of the time in that particular scenario.

Ri Boku invoked Hou Ken's name and Shin's ability to slay him. He spent a year expending resources on tunnel networks and earthworks. It is undeniable RBK deemed it mission critical SBS did not run into Shin, common sense tells you it's because he wasn't confident in the outcome.

How could he have been, considering he witnessed Shin slay Hou Ken on an empty stomach after 2 weeks of fighting?

Whether RBK believes SBS would win or lose is immaterial, that he considers it too risky is what matters.
Yeah as I said Shin can potentially slay anyone but Riboku never said Shin was stronger than Shibashou or would slay him 10/10 times or anything lmfao. All Riboku said is that the guy who killed Houken is someone we should prevent from interfering with Shibashou to ensure Zhao’s overwhelming victory.

Gyou'un wasn't fine either, he also reached his limits for the day despite having the advantage.
Gyou’Un rode off on his horse, Shin collapsed onto the ground and lost consciousness. Considering Gyou’Un had fought Shin for an entire afternoon, yes he was pretty much fine at the end of his battle with Shin.

Shin did beat Buddha with martial prowess..
:milaugh::milaugh::milaugh:

He couldn’t beat Gakuhaku Kou with the Glaive, so he switched to the sword. Then he couldn’t beat Gakuhaku Kou with the sword, so he made a surprise maneuver to switch back to the Glaive and cleaved through Gakuhaku Kou’s sword. Shin was completely and objectively inferior to Gakuhaku Kou in every regard, and if no weapon switching was allowed Gakuhaku Kou would have killed him.

He didn't even fight with it. There's a literally a split second removed between JKR gettting hit with the arrow and Shin nearly killed him with a single hit.


I’m done listening to people cope about the Seika generals lmao. Flexing about Shin overpowering a dude with an arrow shot through his arm is peak cope.

Why not praise Houken for being stronger than Ouki because Houken slayed Ouki in the exact instant that Ouki took an arrow to the back? Lmfao

The Q3 have been considered valued assets important to Qin's future long before generals started dropping like flies. They've been pivotal in every major war, campaign and battle for the past decade and a half.
Because Qin doesn’t have anyone else lmfao. Qin has the 6GGs and no other commanders of equivalent stature to the current “Heavily Kings” of Zhao. They have the Qin trio and nobody else even close to that level.

They were more important and valueable to Qin than any Seika general is now before Shukai even began.
The Seika generals weren’t even fighting for Zhao prior to Gian first of all.

Second of all, Kansaro and Jiaga being tasked with defeating the Qin 200,000 Taigen reinforcements was an objectively far more important assignment than anything that the Qin trio were assigned to do prior to the Han campaign.

If we include Shunsuiju, Shunsuiju himself was tasked at defeating Yotanwa herself at Ryoyo and stalling out Ousen himself at Atsuyo. Was Shin, Mouten, or Ouhon tasked with defeating any of the 3GH? Absolutely not.

And like I said, Bananji and Shunsuiju also successfully stalled out Yotanwa at Hango. Love how you ignored that part. Who was Shin’s opponent again?

Kan Ki didn't do nearly enough to warrant beginning any sentence with "Kan Ki defeated Ko Chou" - it simply isn't true.


This fucking guy man

Since always. He's a martial type general that's considered to be unbeatable in a direct clash by Ri Boku.
Renpa has literally never shown himself to be a general who wins his battles through a frontal assault. All of his victories have been either him attacking from the rear, or him surrounding an opponent or beating them with tactics. Not once has Renpa showed anything like Shibashou at Hango who won the battle against Ousen by simply rolling him like a joint in a full frontal assault.

Ren Pa prefers a head on clash. Do you have any real reason to dispute something so obvious?
Yeah, the three battles that I already cited Renpa winning by explicitly not fighting them from head on.

You like to talk about me “ignoring your questions” even though I answered them all previously lol, but then you ignored the point I made about Renpa literally never winning a battle via frontal assault in the manga? Lol
 
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