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Gol D. Roger

Gol D. Roger

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#181
#181
SkySanji said:
You're saying Madara's durability is so pathetically bad, literally regular human levels of bad, that he can be stabbed by a sword without it even being swung at him? Yes or no? Because that's the impression I get from you repeatedly posting that scan and affirming that Madara does have sword level durability.
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I never said anything of that. I only said Madara isn't that durable for OP standards, then you started the whole sword-level campaign. I even explained in my reply to Senti that Madara is among the most durable guys in OP. Again, this is all because you tried to act like a smartass instead of asking me the right questions or at least reading my replies to the guy I was having this discussion with.

SkySanji said:
It's just that your understanding of durability is wrong, very wrong, you can keep saying that it isn't which is fine but I'm not buying it and neither are most people going by the replies in this thread, you don't need to take absolutely zero damage from an attack for it to be a durability feat.
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Again, I never said taking damage means you have no durability. This is another case of you not reading my posts. My only argument in short is, "The stronger the attack it takes to bypass your defense, the stronger your defense." I used this logic to say Kaido, and King, by extension, is more durable than Madara. If you're damaged, then your durability is overpowered, and if you continue fighting after taking damage, then it's a feat of endurance." I also said durability mitigates damage in my previous post in case you think I don't know it.
 
SkySanji

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#182
#182
Gol D. Roger said:
I never said anything of that. I only said Madara isn't that durable for OP standards, then you started the whole sword-level campaign. I even explained in my reply to Senti that Madara is among the most durable guys in OP. Again, this is all because you tried to act like a smartass instead of asking me the right questions or at least reading my replies to the guy I was having this discussion with.
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You literally agreed with me when I mentioned sword level Madara, if you were joking then make that clear as it isn't through text.

I really don't understand what your point is of repeatedly bringing up Madara flying into a sword if not to downplay his durability, there is no point to it unless you actually believe Madara has regular human levels of durability which given your recent posts you do not.
Gol D. Roger said:
Again, I never said taking damage means you have no durability. This is another case of you not reading my posts. My only argument in short is, "The stronger the attack it takes to bypass your defense, the stronger your defense." I used this logic to say Kaido, and King, by extension, is more durable than Madara. If you're damaged, then your durability is overpowered, and if you continue fighting after taking damage, then it's a feat of endurance." I also said durability mitigates damage in my previous post in case you think I don't know it.
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You just did a very poor job of explaining your point, I'm clearly not the only person to believe that was your intent going by what Sentinel and soheilhazrat said, you were literally suggesting that Madara tanking direct hits from the Biju with nothing but a bit of blood makes it an endurance feat and not a durability one, even though if Madara didn't have at least relative durability to the attacks he would have been reduced to mist or a puddle as that's blatantly how durability works.

And no, Kaido does not have greater durability than Six Path's Madara, again, Madara's eating attacks from at the minimum moon level characters as oppose to Kaido who fights country-continental level characters, their feats of durability aren't even comparable once you understand that fact, just because attacks in One Piece sometimes look more impressive doesn't mean they actually are.
 
Gol D. Roger

Gol D. Roger

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#183
#183
SkySanji said:
You literally agreed with me when I mentioned sword level Madara, if you were joking then make that clear as it isn't through text.
I really don't understand what your point is of repeatedly bringing up Madara flying into a sword if not to downplay his durability, there is no point to it unless you actually believe Madara has regular human levels of durability which given your recent posts you do not.
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I was responding to your passive-aggressive arguments with my own. He did get stabbed with a sword as a matter of fact. It happened in the manga. It's not me downplaying him if I am addressing something that literally happened in the manga. Getting stabbed doesn't mean he can't take stronger attacks than a sword. It means the threshold to bypass his durability is low—that is all I was pointing out when I first responded to Senti.

SkySanji said:
ou just did a very poor job of explaining your point, I'm clearly not the only person to believe that was your intent going by what Sentinel and soheilhazrat said, you were literally suggesting that Madara tanking direct hits from the Biju with nothing but a bit of blood makes it an endurance feat and not a durability one, even though if Madara didn't have at least relative durability to the attacks he would have been reduced to mist or a puddle as that's blatantly how durability works.

And no, Kaido does not have greater durability than Six Path's Madara, again, Madara's eating attacks from at the minimum moon level characters as oppose to Kaido who fights country-continental level characters, their feats of durability aren't even comparable once you understand that fact, just because attacks in One Piece sometimes look more impressive doesn't mean they actually are.
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I was very clear about what I wanted to say. The mistake here is assuming we all look at endurance and durability the same way. I take it you understand what I am trying to say. I've wasted enough time on this already. So I am not responding to everything if you don't mind.
 
SkySanji

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#184
#184
Gol D. Roger said:
I was responding to your passive-aggressive arguments with my own. He did get stabbed with a sword as a matter of fact. It happened in the manga. It's not me downplaying him if I am addressing something that literally happened in the manga. Getting stabbed doesn't mean he can't take stronger attacks than a sword. It means the threshold to bypass his durability is low—that is all I was pointing out when I first responded to Senti.
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He flew into the sword yes which is very important as Madara's momentum would play a massive part in it.

His durability isn't low at all as proven by how he takes seven or eight direct attacks from the Biju consecutively with almost no damage, and the Biju are by no means weak, they shit on a large majority of One Piece alone for example lol.
Gol D. Roger said:
I was very clear about what I wanted to say. The mistake here is assuming we all look at endurance and durability the same way. I take it you understand what I am trying to say. I've wasted enough time on this already. So I am not responding to everything if you don't mind.
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You may think you were clear but you evidently weren't given that I'm not even the only person to accuse you of making such a stupid argument, your posts definitely came off as just downplaying Madara and misconstruing how durability works.
 
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