Speculations A "Mental Nerf" Is No Excuse for Kizaru Failing to Deal Significant Damage

[Philosoraptor]

You can make the light more concentrated or intense,

What does that mean and how is it demonstrated by manga

increase frequency of the waves, etc.

DPS (Damage per sec) is not increasing the strength of light. You are just dishing out more attacks to stack damage.

Maybe even amp with haki, though we don't know if that's possible yet (except with the light sword).

It's possible to put haki on intangible substance (you probably see me argue to the moon with that position). But the only inference we got in the manga is that they only have shown to interact with other phenomena. Basically an excuse to touch a Logia's real body as per example. Example being Zoro vs Monet.

Other example is an acoc example. Which obv doesn't apply here

Fodder pacifista have light attacks, they aren't the same attack power are Kizaru, are they?

There was never a mentioned on OnePiece to tiers of light damage so I have no reason to hold pacifista having weaker light attacks. In fact we have actual scans of these attacks being stated replica from Kizaru.

As well as favorable cool-time deduction (DPS)

 

[grey matter]

What does that mean and how is it demonstrated by manga

Power of a laser can be increase by increasing the intensity of the light. By intensity I mean number of photons/area.

It isn't verbatim demonstrated. I am just saying a way that light attacks can be made stronger.

DPS (Damage per sec) is not increasing the strength of light. You are just dishing out more attacks to stack damage.

Higher frequency waves have more power than lower ones.
Eg, UV light has more energy than visible light, for same intensity.

There was never a mentioned on OnePiece to tiers of light damage so I have no reason to hold pacifista having weaker light attacks. In fact we have actual scans of these attacks being stated replica from Kizaru.

As well as favorable cool-time deduction (DPS)

Sure, but I think it's implicitly understood.

We know some fire is stronger than other fire - more intense/thick fire is stronger, hotter fire is stronger. This is present in manga too, with the highest attack power fire (i.e hotter and thicker/more intense fire) so far being compared to magma (the ones Kaido and King used).

Same should apply to light, based on the factors I mentioned above - via frequency and intensity.

Not to mention, even for same intensity and frequency, you can still dish out more attack power by increasing the area of the beam.

Just because pacifista have lasers based on Kizaru, doesn't mean they can dish out with the same factors that Kizaru can dish out.

We even see varying attack power of lasers:
- Queen tanked his own laser inside his mouth, tanked his own lasers fired on his back, without much damage
- base Kaku tanked a bunch of Vegapunk lasers (which are also based on Kizaru's) without much damage

Imagine if those were lasers from serious Kizaru. You think Queen and Kaku are just walking off easily tanking lasers from a serious Kizaru?
This hypothetical serves to show that lasers can have different attack power

 

[Daves John]

base Kaku tanked a bunch of Vegapunk lasers (which are also based on Kizaru's) without much damage

This shouldn't even be debated, we were blatantly told that the lasers have different outputs

 

[Philosoraptor]

Power of a laser can be increase by increasing the intensity of the light. By intensity I mean number of photons/area.

It isn't verbatim demonstrated. I am just saying a way that light attacks can be made stronger.

I can't go with something not demonstrated by the manga.

Higher frequency waves have more power than lower ones.
Eg, UV light has more energy than visible light, for same intensity.

Visible light has no purpose for attack power. What would more UV light look like compare to what we saw light attacks haven't done already?

Sure, but I think it's implicitly understood.

We know some fire is stronger than other fire - more intense/thick fire is stronger, hotter fire is stronger. This is present in manga too, with the highest attack power fire (i.e hotter and thicker/more intense fire) so far being compared to magma (the ones Kaido and King used).

Same should apply to light, based on the factors I mentioned above - via frequency and intensity.

We know fire properties have tiers to increase its temperature. light generates its heat from the speed it moves.

Not to mention, even for same intensity and frequency, you can still dish out more attack power by increasing the area of the beam.

Increasing the area of the beam increases the range of the damage. Look at Ulti as an example taking a cannon hitboc range of a beam compare to Marco in MF who took 3 shots with lesser hitbox.

Just because pacifista have lasers based on Kizaru, doesn't mean they can dish out with the same factors that Kizaru can dish out.

My argument isn't that they can dish out the same as Kizaru no different then I think Franky can dish out the same as Queen.

We even see varying attack power of lasers:
- Queen tanked his own laser inside his mouth, tanked his own lasers fired on his back, without much damage
- base Kaku tanked a bunch of Vegapunk lasers (which are also based on Kizaru's) without much damage

- A misfire isn't the same output as a regular shot
- Not sure what is that suppose to prove. We know Lasers can either damage by its impact detonation or by passing through your body pulverizing your insides.

Imagine if those were lasers from serious Kizaru. You think Queen and Kaku are just walking off easily tanking lasers from a serious Kizaru?
This hypothetical serves to show that lasers can have different attack power

Imagine it for me. What would it look like compare to what we already know from the manga?

 

[grey matter]

I can't go with something not demonstrated by the manga.

I mean, it's just obvious isn't it? Do you need manga to show you that a sword swing with higher force would be stronger?

But anyway, we can even go by manga arguments:

We even see varying attack power of lasers:
- Queen tanked his own laser inside his mouth, tanked his own lasers fired on his back, without much damage
- base Kaku tanked a bunch of Vegapunk lasers (which are also based on Kizaru's) without much damage

Imagine if those were lasers from serious Kizaru. You think Queen and Kaku are just walking off easily tanking lasers from a serious Kizaru?
This hypothetical serves to show that lasers can have different attack power

Visible light has no purpose for attack power. What would more UV light look like compare to what we saw light attacks haven't done already?

Why not?
It all depends on the intensity. A highly intense visible light would be quite potent too.

UV lights have more power for the same intensity and area.

We know fire properties have tiers to increase its temperature. light generates its heat from the speed it moves.

It is from both.
And in vacuum, it only depends on frequency.

For same intensity, power of the light directly proportional to the frequency of the light. You can look it up if you don't believe me lol

My argument isn't that they can dish out the same as Kizaru no different then I think Franky can dish out the same as Queen.

?? You were saying the damage output is same?

You can change the range of light attacks but you can't change the damage output of light attacks.

- A misfire isn't the same output as a regular shot
- Not sure what is that suppose to prove. We know Lasers can either damage by its impact detonation or by passing through your body pulverizing your insides.

- Huh? What changes? Why would it matter to a laser if the target was intended or not?

- Right. And the factors that determine it is the intensity and frequency. If the laser cannot fully penetrate, the energy it carries dissipates at the target (and hence causes explosion). If it can penetrate, well it penetrates and goes off until it eventually dissipates anyway.
It exploded at Queen and Kaku, because the lasers were not strong enough to pierce their durability, hence it's energy dissipated.

Imagine it for me. What would it look like compare to what we already know from the manga?

Laser from a serious Kizaru would give them significant injuries obviously. Is this even debatable?

 

[Philosoraptor]

I mean, it's just obvious isn't it? Do you need manga to show you that a sword swing with higher force would be stronger?

But anyway, we can even go by manga arguments:

Of course that obvious. I want to know an obvious difference in light damage input. From what we saw input more range covers more damage due to hitting more areas in the body.

Why not?
It all depends on the intensity. A highly intense visible light would be quite potent too.

UV lights have more power for the same intensity and area.

I don't understand your position. Substantiate so we can be on the same page. From my own understanding visible light at best has shown to blind opponents. Never has it cause physical damage.

It is from both.
And in vacuum, it only depends on frequency.

For same intensity, power of the light directly proportional to the frequency of the light. You can look it up if you don't believe me lol

If its both then you'll be able to demonstrate it from manga like you can with fire.

?? You were saying the damage output is same?

Yes, but you strawman my position into thinking DPS output (damage per sec). Kizaru can dish more damage then them because he can shoot more then them. Not because his light causes more harm then their light.

- Huh? What changes? Why would it matter to a laser if the target was intended or not?

- Right. And the factors that determine it is the intensity and frequency. If the laser cannot fully penetrate, the energy it carries dissipates at the target (and hence causes explosion). If it can penetrate, well it penetrates and goes off until it eventually dissipates anyway.
It exploded at Queen and Kaku, because the lasers were not strong enough to pierce their durability, hence it's energy dissipated.

- The attack damage comes from the velocity it travels.

- Queen and Kaku are 2 different case. For Kaku the lasers simply sandwiched Kaku. Had nothing to do with having less input

Laser from a serious Kizaru would give them significant injuries obviously. Is this even debatable?

You not understanding my point. Lasers have only shown that hitbox determines how much damage it can cause. The very example with Ulti vs Marco.

The laser covered more bodily damage to Ulti then the attack done on Marco. Hitbox determines how much damage it causes.

 

[trav]

There is no such thing as a mental nerf.
The inability to keep your emotions in check is part of a characters overall strength or weakness.